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hi everyone welcome to the ufo hub live

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stream uh today's guest is going to be

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debbie cobble and i will be talking to

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her about her upcoming book called

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extraordinary contact life beyond

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intruders

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and whatever else might be coming up of

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when we're getting close to finish up

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we'll be doing some

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q a so i hope you have your questions

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ready but uh first uh before we get

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started i would like to go over some

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some

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quick information so as you guys know

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things have been uh kind of busy for me

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here so

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um it's finally coming to a point where

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you know it's not interfering with so

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many interviews and and

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what i do here with the ufo hub so

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uh next week i'm going to have of course

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wednesday open lines as always

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so uh just install a telegram join the

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ufo hub group and i'll be able to talk

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to you that way

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as as you might have seen before so

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we're just

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simply sharing stories and just talking

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and hanging out online

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uh and then of course i'm not quite sure

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yet who i'm gonna have friday

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but uh something that's gonna be a bit

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different next week

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is that on monday i'm already have a

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confirmed date to talk to

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whitley streep so if you guys could um

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you know i'm sorry if it kind of messes

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up anything but i hope you could

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join me on monday it's also going to be

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at 7 pm central time

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and that was the only time we could work

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out i was hoping that maybe

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to get him on on a friday but it was

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just too busy so i figured um

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it would work out to just switch

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occasionally on the day

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and of course i'm sure some of you

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wouldn't mind either

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so anyway with uh that being said

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uh let me do some switching here

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all right uh well debbie thanks for

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being on welcome

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thank you thanks for having me i

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appreciate it

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well um so i figured uh if you could

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maybe start out with a little bit of

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background information about yourself

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and then we'll go from there

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all right well um

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it's been a long time since intruders

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was published and it's just recently

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being republished and re-available for

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but i am the kathy davis

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that bud hopkins wrote about in

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intruders

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that book was about my life and the

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things that i had experienced

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up until that point and in particular

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an incident that happened on june 30th

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at my mom and dad's home that

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left a mark in the yard that lasted for

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damaged the soil uh made my dog really

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to the point where she actually had to

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a few months later and made me really

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and also triggered a lot of memories to

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of other

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alien uh i use the word alien because

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it's something that i don't know what it

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anyway um i've had a lot of experiences

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witnessing ufos i've had a couple of

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incidents in my life nothing like june

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3083 that left the mark in the yard but

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there was a thing that happened um

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to me in 2005 that was kind of

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involved the whole town i live in in a

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i could talk about that in a little

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while if you remind me

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with things that scare me is i try to

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that i can can about it because i feel

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like knowledge is power

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so back in the 90s i became an

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investigator for mufon

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and i went on to investigate quite a few

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paranormal stuff

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indianapolis and i kind of helped bring

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the paranormal and ufology together

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in at least in the state of indiana i

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kind of helped do that which i was kind

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of proud of

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and um i got really interested in

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collecting evps seems like that's my

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the best thing i do i uh some of the

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people that i worked with call me the

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antenna i could get i can get evps

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on my recorder uh and somebody else

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sitting right next to me with their

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recorder running it won't even

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red they don't even get it so i don't

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know what that's about

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um but anyway

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i don't i don't know there's just so

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i've got 50 years of odd experiences in

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a strange life

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and bud wrote intruders and

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um i think it was published in 92 maybe

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um and then there was a mini series of

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roughly based on that book

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it was on cbs and i think that was in 92

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my life continued on after intruders

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you know different weird strange kind of

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encounters and

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paranormal experiences later on

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and um and then life threw me some real

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big curveballs

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just what normal life well i wouldn't

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call it normal i had a

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house dropped on me by a tornado and i

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went through a suicide with my late

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and other things like that but i came

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and that's quite a bit to go through

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i you know there there are times i could

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that you spoke of earlier it's just like

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a compilation of

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my experiences that prompted

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the book intruders and

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how my life evolved after that

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and it does include you know some of

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stories of uh the hard stuff that i went

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with my husband and with the tornado but

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my goal was to share that part of myself

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show people that you can get through all

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this crazy stuff and come out

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better than ever i mean because i feel

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at this point in my life i am uh

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i've learned that i'm a lot stronger

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person than i thought i was

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and the experiences that i had early on

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that were scary and

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physical have changed

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um and it's changed me you know

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i'm not having as much what i would

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consider physical contact

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with whatever this life form is that i

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but there it's something is still

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it's on just a different level it's on a

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an intellectual level a spiritual level

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so um well debbie uh what do you say if

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covered a little bit about what was

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what was religion written about in

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intruders to give

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that background aspect and then we'll go

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into what you have uh going on in your

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okay intruders kind of it revolves

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around a june 30th 1983 incident that

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home i was a single mom that had just

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home with my parents going through a

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divorce

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and i was uh to make a little extra

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money i was cutting out patterns for a

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gal that lived behind us who was a

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friend of mine who made costumes

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and uh she'd pay me you know buy the

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piece to come and cut stuff out for her

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so i was getting ready to go over there

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that night and as i was standing at the

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waiting and you know washing my hands

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of the swimming pool that was out in the

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and the pump house wasn't very big uh

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anyway something weird was there was

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something weird about the light that

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struck me odd that it just didn't seem

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like the right color

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but uh and i thought to myself i

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remember thinking to myself why is the

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door open because i knew i had shut it

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when i was out there last and i pointed

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it out to my mother

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and she kind of like don't worry about

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my father was uh working the second

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that time and she said he'll be home

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so i got my car and instead of just

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off i decided to go uh

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mom this house was a like a tri-level

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or two driveways one that went down into

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the front of the house in front of the

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attached two-car garage and then another

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that forked off and went along the side

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past the swimming pool and then was like

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a circle in front of my dad's workshop

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which was back

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farther behind the house so i thought

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i'm just going to drive back around

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there and just take a look

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not thinking at all about aliens or ufo

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stuff

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whatsoever i was thinking about burglars

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so anyway i i drove down the turnaround

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up and at that point i noted the light

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was gone out of the pump house

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and uh i also noted that the door

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the pedestrian door to the attached

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garage was now open

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open because my dog penny

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was supposed to be in the garage we used

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to keep her in there at night

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because she was like

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the neighborhood floozy and we didn't

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want more puppies so

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we'd keep her in there at night she

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didn't like being in the house

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but she loved her little place in the

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garage

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anyway i made note of that and then i

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went

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to my friend's house was was right

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behind ours like took two minutes to get

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there and i called my mom

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and i told her what i'd seen i thought

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maybe the light bulb had just burned out

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in the

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pump house you know uh

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she said don't worry about it it's not

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that big a deal your dad will be home

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you know i'm like okay fine so i hung up

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and as soon as i hung up she called

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right back

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and i picked the phone up like i hadn't

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even really taken my hand off of the

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receiver when it rang again and picked

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it back up and it was my mom and it was

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her voice and she says

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i want you to come home right now and i

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was taken aback by this because

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nothing ever scared my mom my mom

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was a rock and she sounded scared

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and i said mom what's the matter and

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she's like i just want you to come home

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right now she never told me why

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until like a week later she said she'd

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seen a ball of light around the bird

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feeder out by the

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and behind the kitchen window where i

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had been standing looking out

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but she didn't tell me that to like a

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week later

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my friend's husband heard the

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conversation and he could hear that

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something was wrong and he

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yelled over me into the phone to my mom

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call the police that's what we pay him

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for

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and my mom heard him and she said i

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don't want anybody here but you and i'm

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like okay so i hung up and i went back

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home

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took me two minutes i got uh

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i pulled up the side yard where i had

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originally gone driving around the

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turnaround

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and got out parked there next to the

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patio room and

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went in my mom was standing in the

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doorway and i walked into the door

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into the patio room with her and she's

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like what are you gonna do and i grabbed

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my dad's shotgun he had a shotgun that

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he kept next to the trash compactor

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it was not loaded and mom says it's not

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loaded and i said whoever out there

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don't know that

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i can get close enough to him to swat

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him with it i bet you

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took that and i went outside i

353
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would looked through the backyard i went

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back into the pump house

355
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and looked around didn't see anything

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then i decided to look for my dog

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and i went back on the other side of the

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pool

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and i found my dog she was under my

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dad's panel truck and she was not

361
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happy and would not come out so i'm like

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fine

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stay there and i went back across the

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yard into the pedestrian door of the

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garage

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and there was a set of mattress

367
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leaned up against the garage otherwise

368
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there was nothing else in the garage and

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there was

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hidden except behind the mattress so i

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kind of pulled uh um you know i'm

372
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creeping up behind the mattress with the

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shotgun and i'm like you better

374
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i got you now you know i got a gun

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and uh close no one was there and just

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about the time i realized that there

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wasn't anybody behind that mattress i

378
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started feeling really weird

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my body tingled and burned and it felt

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like i was on fire

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everywhere and i remember thinking oh my

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god i'm gonna get out of here i'm gonna

383
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die and i headed to the pedestrian door

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and

385
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the minute i hit the open doorway bam

386
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something hit me in the chest right

387
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right in the chest right above my gut

388
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and

389
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i had my eyes closed

390
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but i could still see it i couldn't get

391
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away from it and i felt like i could

392
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feel every

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atom of my body vibrate

394
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and i felt like i was on fire and i

395
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remember thinking oh my god

396
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i'm going to die this is how it feels to

397
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die

398
00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:04,150
it i couldn't i couldn't see anything uh

399
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even after the vibration and the light

400
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the light intensity finally let got

401
00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:10,400
better

402
00:19:14,390 --> 00:19:12,880
went down the vibration slowly stopped

403
00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:14,400
but i couldn't move

404
00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:20,150
it felt like time stopped it was the

405
00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:21,360
weirdest feeling on

406
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i've nev i'd never had it felt like for

407
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a moment like

408
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time stopped i know that feeling that i

409
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:29,039
had that i thought i was going to die

410
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it couldn't have lasted

411
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more than a few seconds i don't think i

412
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would have survived it but

413
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it felt like it had it went on forever

414
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and ever and then

415
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uh all of a sudden like i said

416
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everything kind of stopped vibration

417
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stopped the shaking stopped

418
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uh the light got dimmer and i could

419
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:50,799
i could open my eyes but at that point

420
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now

421
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my my vision was so crummy

422
00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:56,400
like if you've ever gotten your picture

423
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:57,919
taken by a bunch of people with flash

424
00:20:02,470 --> 00:19:59,760
bulbs and you got it in the eyes

425
00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:02,480
you know those those white those blight

426
00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:04,400
spots that you see in your vision that

427
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:05,840
you can't see anything else that's the

428
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way my vision was

429
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:09,440
i could see movement out in front of me

430
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:11,679
in the yard and i realized at some point

431
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:13,760
i was no longer in the doorway but

432
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actually out on the cement patio

433
00:20:19,830 --> 00:20:18,240
in front of the door i could see all

434
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:19,840
this movement in front of me

435
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:21,840
at one point i felt something pulled

436
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:24,159
down on my shoulder

437
00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:27,440
on my right shoulder i felt a burning

438
00:20:32,830 --> 00:20:29,360
sensation in my right ear

439
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:32,840
felt like in in my mind i could

440
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:36,320
see uh it was like a a knitting needle

441
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:37,120
that was

442
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:40,000
hot as a poker that's what it felt like

443
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:40,559
that's not

444
00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:43,760
what it was that's just what i that's

445
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:45,200
how it felt

446
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:48,240
and um as

447
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:51,280
i saw these things there were six small

448
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:53,200
bullet-shaped things in the yard and i

449
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:54,880
began to realize they look like little

450
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:56,480
children

451
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:58,159
and they were moving around and they

452
00:21:02,149 --> 00:20:59,840
were but they weren't really walking it

453
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:02,159
was more of a slide or glide

454
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:05,120
and uh as they started to line up in the

455
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:06,799
yard in front of me and glide down

456
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:07,679
towards me

457
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:11,440
but not directly at me uh

458
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:14,480
that's when i saw this thing i don't

459
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,559
know what this thing was

460
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:18,720
for 30 years people have talked about it

461
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:20,640
and called it a craft

462
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:22,400
in retrospect there is no way on the

463
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:24,240
planet or any other planet for that

464
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:24,960
matter

465
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:27,440
that six little kids could get in this

466
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,080
thing

467
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:30,480
and go anywhere because it wasn't much

468
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:32,640
bigger than the pump house swimming pool

469
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:35,919
i mean the swimming pool uh pump house

470
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:40,000
i mean and then it just wasn't that big

471
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:42,799
when i looked at it when i could see it

472
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:43,520
it

473
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:46,640
percent

474
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:49,760
touching the ground because it almost

475
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:50,720
looked like it was

476
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:54,240
um like a bob or a fishing bobber on a

477
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:57,120
on a calm lake that ever so slight

478
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:58,880
little wobble

479
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,760
and it did have four things protruding

480
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:03,120
off of it

481
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:06,159
on each side uh you know on each quarter

482
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:07,280
of it

483
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:09,760
but they weren't they didn't look sturdy

484
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,280
enough to be legs to hold weight

485
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:15,120
it looked more like something just to

486
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:18,400
stabilize it you know i mean

487
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:21,600
anyway um it

488
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:24,960
uh at one point i remember hearing

489
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,919
someone never saw anybody that i

490
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:29,280
consciously remembered

491
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but hearing someone say it was

492
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unfortunate that i had felt that pain

493
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:37,280
and um i also there was a white

494
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,120
soft ball of light probably about 20

495
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:41,200
feet in front of me i noticed it after

496
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:41,840
the

497
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:44,799
little people disappeared into this

498
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:45,440
thing there's

499
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:48,240
ball of light and it looked about the

500
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:49,360
size of a basketball

501
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:51,280
and it was much easier to look at and

502
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,640
much softer

503
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,960
and it seemed about as high up off the

504
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:56,640
ground as i am tall and i'm five foot

505
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,679
three

506
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:59,520
and then it went down really slow and

507
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:00,720
then it came back up

508
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:03,200
slowly and i felt like it was looking at

509
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:04,559
me

510
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,360
i did not want to look at it because i

511
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,600
needed to know where it was

512
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:17,520
at all times because i felt like i was

513
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:19,600
right on the edge of losing it

514
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:23,200
and um

515
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:24,799
all of a sudden i remember thinking oh

516
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:26,320
my god my kids

517
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:28,159
they're in the house with my mom and i'm

518
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:30,400
thinking oh my god my kids

519
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:34,000
and immediately after that thought

520
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,159
i heard that voice again say your your

521
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:37,919
children are fine

522
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:40,240
basically that's what that they said

523
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,120
your children are fine

524
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,760
and then i heard my name and as soon as

525
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:47,760
i heard my name

526
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:49,120
it was like someone just snapped their

527
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:52,159
fingers and i started to move

528
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,830
and i noted at that point my mom was

529
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:01,520
like had her head out the wind

530
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,559
out the door of the upper kitchen

531
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,960
she was in the kitchen door uh because

532
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,799
the lower patio at the garage and

533
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:10,159
remember this is a tri level and you

534
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:11,279
walk up several

535
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:13,840
steps to the the next porch which was

536
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:14,400
the

537
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,039
and i learned later that when i heard my

538
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:23,200
name being called it was actually my mom

539
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:27,360
that called my name which kind of just

540
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:30,880
snapped me out of whatever trance i was

541
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:32,000
in

542
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:43,039
dude i don't want to go i don't really

543
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:44,559
want to sew now

544
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:47,679
i didn't feel right physically and i

545
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:49,600
just felt like i wanted to get wet

546
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:53,200
and it was a warm evening you know so

547
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:57,600
um i got a hold of the gal whose house i

548
00:25:01,750 --> 00:24:58,080
was

549
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:01,760
uh gonna sew with and i said what

550
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:04,400
you and your daughter want to come swim

551
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:04,960
you know

552
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:07,919
and she's like yeah so i went over there

553
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:08,960
and

554
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:12,880
we went swimming

555
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,760
and as we were walking across the back

556
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:17,679
of the house

557
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:20,159
in the area where i had seen those

558
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:21,919
little

559
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,840
figures move my friend's daughter

560
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,360
suddenly stepped on something in the

561
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,679
yard and she's like oh my god

562
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:31,279
she said she thought she stepped on a

563
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:32,880
bee because it stung

564
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:35,679
and it and it felt funny and tingly and

565
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,159
then her foot started to feel numb

566
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:40,000
and her mom's like get you get get your

567
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,440
foot in the water

568
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:43,679
you know it'll it'll help it feel better

569
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:45,520
so we all got to swimming pool we got in

570
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:46,960
the water and within a couple of minutes

571
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:48,799
of being in the pool

572
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:53,679
uh all three of us were nauseated and i

573
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:56,240
had a terrific headache and my eyes were

574
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:57,279
killing me

575
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:00,080
uh i was noticing white halos around all

576
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:02,480
the lights outside

577
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:06,720
and um around all the lights

578
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,480
it's like when you put your head under

579
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:10,240
chlorine and then you know you open your

580
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:11,679
eyes and then your eyes are all

581
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:14,400
blown for a while only i didn't put my

582
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:14,880
head

583
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:18,240
under water or open my eyes so we

584
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,799
abandoned our swimming gig and

585
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:22,480
eventually they went home and i went to

586
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:23,200
bed

587
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:25,760
and the next morning when i woke up i

588
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:27,679
was so sick and my eyes were completely

589
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,960
swelled shut

590
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,720
and so my mom actually ended up taking

591
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:32,880
me to the emergency room

592
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:35,039
from the emergency room i was taken to

593
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:37,039
an eye doctor whose office was across

594
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:40,320
the street from the emergency room

595
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:41,600
he said he didn't have the equipment

596
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,440
there to look at me but would look at me

597
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:45,760
in his office so they took me over there

598
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:47,200
one of the first things he asked me is

599
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,880
if i had looked into the arc of a

600
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:50,400
welder's torch

601
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,840
which i was like uh no why why would i

602
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:55,600
do that that's dumb

603
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:58,799
um but

604
00:27:01,909 --> 00:27:01,360
i you know so he prescribed me creams

605
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:01,919
and

606
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:06,480
for my eyes to heal

607
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:08,960
i think that the diagnosis that he gave

608
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:11,200
was like severe conjunctivitis

609
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,960
and i do believe he was like i can't

610
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,320
believe that they didn't bother you

611
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:16,400
yesterday to be this bad today

612
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:19,919
i said no when i went to bed they felt

613
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:20,960
kind of weird but

614
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,640
not like this so um

615
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,880
well um debbie if i could uh ask a quick

616
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:28,399
question

617
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:31,600
so excuse me the

618
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:33,679
so all this happened while during that

619
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:35,120
day you had

620
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:37,600
you know this occur and then that same

621
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,640
days when you

622
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,880
you were like okay i'm gonna then just

623
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:42,399
call up my friend and have her come over

624
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,679
instead is that

625
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:46,080
just am i understanding that correctly

626
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:48,000
that's the same evening yeah okay went

627
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:49,600
over earlier to so

628
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:52,159
then i came back to investigate whatever

629
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:54,559
it was that my mom got upset about

630
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:57,200
and then i went back to her house you

631
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:58,480
know but i told her i really didn't feel

632
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,760
like so and so you guys want to come

633
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:01,039
over and go swimming and they're like

634
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:02,000
yeah let's just do

635
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,159
that so then we went back over to my mom

636
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:06,240
and dad's house and got in the pool

637
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:09,520
it was i think i went

638
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:12,559
back to my mom's house around eight

639
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:15,520
ish in the evening it was getting dark

640
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,000
and then

641
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,240
i think by the time uh i went back to

642
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:20,240
diana's and then went back

643
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,279
to my mom and dad's house again it was

644
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:25,360
pretty close to around 11 11 30 at night

645
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:26,480
because my dad

646
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:29,360
either had just gotten home from work or

647
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,720
was just about

648
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,720
or got home right after we got there and

649
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,480
you know he worked second shift so

650
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:36,080
so other than that it happened the same

651
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:37,520
night i see so other than the

652
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:39,039
the side effects all you were pretty

653
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:40,559
much doing is observing

654
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:44,559
this happening correct that's

655
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:47,600
was there more there i

656
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:50,960
i never fully remembered

657
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,880
uh the whole i think bud

658
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,480
after he talked to my friend and her

659
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:58,640
husband and my mom and dad and everybody

660
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:00,159
he determined there was maybe about an

661
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,000
hour and 15 minutes where i was

662
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:04,960
actually missing like there was just the

663
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:05,600
whole

664
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:09,520
time was not there wasn't there for me

665
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:12,720
uh it actually even my friends who lived

666
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:14,000
the house over the girl

667
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:16,720
the girl i went to sew with her and her

668
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:18,000
husband seemed how

669
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:21,600
be somehow affected by this time shift

670
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:25,440
thing because uh they weren't even aware

671
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:27,440
that i had been gone that long and now

672
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:29,440
of course your mom was there too correct

673
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,120
right and she didn't and she wasn't

674
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:33,360
aware that i had that that much time had

675
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:34,720
passed

676
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:38,080
so you know now the next day

677
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:41,760
you know when i woke up sick and then

678
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:43,679
by that weekend which was the fourth of

679
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:45,039
july weekend

680
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:48,000
which was a few days uh the family came

681
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,480
over

682
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,799
and we're of course we're all gonna swim

683
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:52,240
and have a cookout and

684
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:55,039
light off an obscene amount of fireworks

685
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:55,919
from kmart

686
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:58,000
in your backyard and try not to set your

687
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:59,120
house on fire you know what i mean

688
00:30:02,710 --> 00:29:59,679
that's what

689
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,720
americans do but um

690
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,799
so the kids all head out with their

691
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:06,399
bathing suits

692
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:08,080
and my nephew comes running back in he's

693
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:09,679
like grandma what's what's wrong with

694
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:11,919
your yard oh my god you know and so we

695
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:14,480
all the grown-ups went running out there

696
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:17,279
and there was the mark in the yard fully

697
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:19,120
developed fully formed right there in

698
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:20,080
your face

699
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,679
and my mom looks at me and says oh

700
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:25,520
that's where the ufo landed the other

701
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:26,799
night and i went

702
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,399
what excuse me i looked at her kind of

703
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,919
weird but the moment

704
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,360
i looked at her and then i looked back

705
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,360
at that mark again

706
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:37,440
you you could have knocked me over with

707
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:39,919
a feather it hit me like a ton of bricks

708
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:43,200
i started to

709
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,720
remember some stuff

710
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:49,440
it was like at that moment somebody

711
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:50,799
pulled the finger

712
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:53,760
out of the dam and here came the trickle

713
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:55,279
i remember standing there looking at

714
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:56,559
that mark

715
00:31:03,350 --> 00:30:59,679
and all i could suddenly see were two

716
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:03,360
huge black eyes eyes that i had seen

717
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:04,559
before

718
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:08,640
uh prior to that day yes

719
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,950
i think at that moment is when i began

720
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:15,919
to have what i

721
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:20,480
say was a nervous breakdown um

722
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:23,120
i started before i had conscious

723
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:24,000
memories of

724
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:25,440
some things of that night i started

725
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:28,159
having the remembering the fear

726
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:31,279
and the terror you know what i mean

727
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:34,640
but that night i

728
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:36,159
i didn't well let me just put it this

729
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:37,679
way i probably didn't sleep

730
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,960
for a month honestly at night i would

731
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:42,399
sit up all night long

732
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:45,360
between my two children's beds in their

733
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,399
room

734
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:48,240
like i was waiting and there was a

735
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,919
bathroom in my mom's house

736
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:51,919
that overlooked that mark in the yard on

737
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:53,600
the second floor

738
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:55,519
i couldn't go to the bathroom in that

739
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:58,240
bathroom at night

740
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:59,760
at night i couldn't go i'd have to go

741
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,880
all the way down the basement use the

742
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:02,320
bathroom because there was a window in

743
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:04,159
that bathroom that overlooked that mark

744
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:05,679
in the yard and i don't know why but i

745
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,320
felt

746
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:08,640
this overwhelming terror that something

747
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:09,840
was going to come through that window

748
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:11,760
and take me

749
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:15,039
it was pathetic and i felt crazy

750
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,360
so this is all what came back to you

751
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,200
after this

752
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:21,039
visual experience that you started

753
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,799
remembering more and more happening

754
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,799
is is that correct yes okay that's

755
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:26,880
correct not only did i remember more i

756
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,000
started to remember things

757
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,559
that happened years ago oh wow that i

758
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:32,399
you things that you know you just

759
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:36,000
put away let's face it

760
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:39,440
life is weird and this

761
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:42,159
world that we live in is weird and

762
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:42,720
things

763
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:45,760
everyone if you

764
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:47,440
if you can honestly tell me that you've

765
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,519
lived any time on this earth at all and

766
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:51,200
not had at least one little weird thing

767
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:52,960
happen then i'd say you're not paying

768
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:54,240
attention

769
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:57,679
but um they uh

770
00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:00,159
so i started remembering things like but

771
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:01,840
one of my first things i remembered was

772
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:03,519
back when i was uh

773
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:06,960
first married and these two gray things

774
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:08,480
came in my room at night

775
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:09,679
while i was laying in bed next to my

776
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:12,399
husband but he never woke up or moved

777
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,760
and they came into my room and they had

778
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:17,760
the same kind of eyes that i saw

779
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:19,919
over the mark in the yard the big big

780
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:21,039
black liquidy

781
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,720
shimmery alive eyes that's what i call

782
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:26,480
the the eyes are like

783
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:29,840
living things you know they look into

784
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:30,480
you not

785
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:34,559
just at you but um

786
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:36,880
yeah i remembered i that came back to me

787
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:38,320
that dream and i i

788
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:40,159
even asked my ex-husband because he was

789
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:41,360
my ex-husband at that point do you

790
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:42,640
remember when i woke you up and told you

791
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:43,519
that he goes yeah

792
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:44,960
i thought you had food poisoning or

793
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,960
something because that was a crazy dream

794
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:48,399
and i'm like yeah okay well

795
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:50,080
i just wanted confirmation that you

796
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:51,840
remembered that i told you about this

797
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:52,399
you know

798
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,519
right right but um yeah they just came

799
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,120
into my room that was the time the two

800
00:34:02,470 --> 00:33:59,279
of them came into my room

801
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,480
uh they just kind of appeared in my room

802
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,880
by where the window was they came to the

803
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:06,640
bed and i remember thinking to myself

804
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:07,360
that same

805
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:10,720
terror that i felt when that

806
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:14,240
craft thing was close to me please just

807
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:16,000
don't come any closer to me don't touch

808
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,639
me

809
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,079
and i might be able to hold it together

810
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:20,399
you know i'll be all right just don't

811
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,040
touch me

812
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:23,599
don't come any closer but as they got

813
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:26,800
closer to me i felt calmer

814
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,079
and uh they said and this was back in

815
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:32,480
let's see it was probably back in 78

816
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:34,159
because i was married

817
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:38,079
very new married uh he said

818
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,919
he had a black box in his hand about the

819
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:41,839
size of a shoe box more or less

820
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:45,200
and it had a red light it looked like it

821
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:45,599
was

822
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:49,040
like a hole

823
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:52,480
on top maybe about i don't know

824
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:00,950
i i asked i remember asking what is this

825
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:03,599
can i have it and they're like no you

826
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,240
can't

827
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:06,720
but when you see it again you will

828
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:07,520
remember it

829
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,520
and you will know how to use it and i

830
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:11,040
said okay

831
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,240
and then they were gone uh you know

832
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:16,400
at one point i didn't freak out i mean i

833
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:17,599
freaked out when i first saw him but

834
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,400
then it was like

835
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:21,119
some kind of calmness came over me well

836
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:23,040
i forgot all about that

837
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:26,480
crazy dream right until the mark in the

838
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,160
yard that you know and then

839
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:30,240
there are other things when i was a

840
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:31,200
child i went

841
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:34,320
on a a little weekend jaunt

842
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:36,720
with my older sister up to michigan and

843
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:37,839
i was missing for an

844
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:40,000
entire day they had to call the police

845
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:41,200
to try and find me

846
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:42,880
and my sister ended up finding me and

847
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:44,240
bringing me back home

848
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:46,720
the only remember i have of that day and

849
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:48,480
of being missing is being with a little

850
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:49,760
boy

851
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:53,119
my size but he had big black eyes and he

852
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:55,520
wanted me to come into a room with him

853
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:58,320
and play with these weird toys and then

854
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:00,000
when we were playing

855
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:03,200
um something bit me on the leg it's when

856
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:04,720
i felt like something poked me in the

857
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:05,520
leg

858
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:08,560
and then i remember all of a sudden

859
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:10,320
i'm by the door of the house that we

860
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,079
were in and his mother

861
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,800
come out and she was mad as hell that i

862
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:16,960
was there and said why is she here

863
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:19,200
she doesn't belong here she needs to

864
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:20,160
leave right now

865
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:23,520
boom and it felt like someone shoved me

866
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:27,680
out the door but yet no one touched me

867
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:32,320
and um at the end of the walkway

868
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,359
from this house there stood my sister i

869
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:37,440
walked up to her i'm like that oh you

870
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:37,760
know

871
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,800
she never had any kind of a

872
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:42,560
reaction emotionally

873
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,920
she never said anything to me she just

874
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:46,079
took my hand walked me back to the house

875
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,760
i was supposed to be at

876
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,839
you know i mean all these things i

877
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:51,680
remembered

878
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:54,160
things like this flooding back because

879
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:55,680
of that mark in the yard

880
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:57,520
you know and then i started remembering

881
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:00,160
other things

882
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:03,440
i remembered a time uh

883
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:06,960
it was right before my husband my first

884
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:08,560
husband and i got married

885
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:11,440
and was in the fall and me and two other

886
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:12,320
girls

887
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:15,200
were in a car out in the country on the

888
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:22,790
i was like 16 i was 17

889
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:25,920
early 17 so and but my friends were a

890
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:27,040
little bit older

891
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:28,720
and we were actually gonna stalk her

892
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:30,079
boyfriend because she thought he was

893
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:31,440
messing around on her

894
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:33,200
so like two in the morning we're out

895
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:34,960
driving around the country three teenage

896
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,760
girls looking

897
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,680
because the boy lived out in the country

898
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:38,880
in a farmhouse

899
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:41,040
so we're out driving around stalking her

900
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,160
boyfriend

901
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:45,119
and um we see a light in the sky acting

902
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:46,960
weird and it got really big

903
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,280
and the girl in the back seat actually

904
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,119
flipped out

905
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,440
she got panicky and went hysterical on

906
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:55,440
us and was down on the floorboard crying

907
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,200
and begging us to drive away

908
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,079
and delores was laughing at her and i

909
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,160
was like oh look that's ufo

910
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:04,160
trying to be funny and then all of a

911
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:05,920
sudden

912
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:09,359
this thing gets really big

913
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:13,119
and i remember we pulled over

914
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,520
i did not remember dolores getting out

915
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:17,680
of the car

916
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:20,160
but i do remember our car being

917
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:20,960
enveloped

918
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:24,400
in some kind of black smoke or black

919
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:28,240
cloud and i remember being pulled out

920
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:31,680
of the car by my legs and a

921
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:36,079
drug somewhere and i remembered

922
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:40,560
um like being on a table in a

923
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:44,400
operating theater and

924
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:47,839
having painful stuff done to me and

925
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:51,920
um then the next thing i remember

926
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:54,400
we're back in the car and we're driving

927
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:55,440
away

928
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:57,280
and old girl is still in the back

929
00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:58,480
whimpering

930
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:02,079
and dolores and not saying much

931
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:05,839
and uh you know then years later and we

932
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:07,599
never spoke of it again we never spoke

933
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:10,320
of that whole thing that whole incident

934
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:13,280
and uh then years later when bud came

935
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:13,760
and

936
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:16,320
to investigate we actually hadn't talked

937
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,839
to dolores for years

938
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:19,839
but i managed to get a hold of her

939
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:21,440
through my older sister

940
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:25,839
and we had a meeting with bud and bud

941
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:28,079
asked her about that night and she says

942
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:29,760
he says i want to talk to you about the

943
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,119
light in the

944
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:33,599
that you girls saw out in the country

945
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:35,200
and she goes you mean the one in the sky

946
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:36,640
or the one on the ground and i looked

947
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:37,760
over and i'm like what do you mean the

948
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,720
one on the ground

949
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,320
i didn't remember seeing anything on the

950
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:42,240
ground and she goes oh yeah she goes i

951
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:45,520
we pulled over and i got out of the car

952
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:47,680
and she goes the light was on the ground

953
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:48,560
in the field

954
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:51,359
i'm like what she i didn't even remember

955
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:52,640
that part

956
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,440
she did she did not she

957
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:59,520
she did not want to do hypnosis she says

958
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:01,359
look i have lived with it for these ye

959
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:03,200
these many years and it hasn't bothered

960
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:06,079
me i see no sense in stirring it up now

961
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:09,520
i don't want to remember any more than i

962
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:12,560
already do i'm good

963
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:16,160
with not remembering uh she goes but i

964
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:18,880
just she says i will tell you that night

965
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:19,920
happened

966
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:22,960
i was there so

967
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:26,319
um a question regarding so listen to

968
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:27,680
your story and maybe

969
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,400
um you could maybe get a little bit into

970
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:32,560
the the work then that you've done with

971
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,359
bud hopkins were you able to determine

972
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:36,720
if that event was

973
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:39,200
done somehow on purpose for you to start

974
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:40,240
remembering

975
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:42,560
or do you have any thoughts regarding

976
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:44,000
that

977
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:47,520
always say

978
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:50,079
um or i have said many times before that

979
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:51,440
night

980
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:55,760
something in me changed uh

981
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:58,079
i i called myself debbie 2.0 at that

982
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:59,839
point it's like a part of me died and a

983
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:00,560
new

984
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:04,800
exactly what happened

985
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:08,079
that night uh it was definitely

986
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:11,119
the most physically you know

987
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,599
it affected me the physically the most

988
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:15,200
um

989
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:19,359
it i like it's a hypothesis

990
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:22,079
it's it's a theory that perhaps that

991
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,440
night happened

992
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,200
to wake me up and start this whole

993
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,599
process and the market that was left in

994
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:29,440
the yard was left there for

995
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:34,319
a purpose you know to

996
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:36,079
because that's having the pictures of

997
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:37,920
the mark in the yard is

998
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,839
actually what finally got me to write

999
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:41,280
bud hopkins i

1000
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,480
probably wouldn't have even written him

1001
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:44,160
had i not been able to have actual some

1002
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:45,520
physical evidence

1003
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:53,030
that's very possible that that that

1004
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:53,839
night

1005
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:57,920
was intentional to wake me up

1006
00:42:01,270 --> 00:42:00,480
uh i or or make some kind of change in

1007
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:01,280
me right

1008
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:04,160
you know to facilitate this whole next

1009
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,960
journey

1010
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:07,200
so with your work with bob hopkins were

1011
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:08,720
you able to figure out

1012
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:11,119
why you you know and what what else was

1013
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,079
going on

1014
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:14,319
you know throughout all these years of

1015
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,359
these different

1016
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,240
odd contexts besides besides what you

1017
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:20,319
already have covered

1018
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,920
well you know i was um

1019
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:26,160
my whole family was a little unique

1020
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:27,760
they're all very smart

1021
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:32,079
they all have different kinds of gifts

1022
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:39,670
it's very uh our our

1023
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,800
g our dna is very

1024
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,880
mixed there's a lot of a lot of

1025
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:46,240
everything in us

1026
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:53,190
there are a lot of theories that some of

1027
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:55,359
this contact is

1028
00:43:02,470 --> 00:42:58,560
uh follows families and

1029
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,480
i can say that my mother did have

1030
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,319
strange experiences as a child that she

1031
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:06,240
talked about about which i don't really

1032
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:07,680
know a whole lot about

1033
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,920
because i wasn't in the room when she

1034
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:12,240
talked to him but i heard about it later

1035
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:16,160
that you know she had a strange memory

1036
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:16,800
of uh

1037
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:19,359
being a child in the woods and a little

1038
00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:19,920
boy

1039
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:25,839
caused her to fall and poke herself and

1040
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:27,760
get her hurt her leg and

1041
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:30,160
she got the same mark in her leg on the

1042
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:32,160
same leg that i had when i played with

1043
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:33,359
my little boy

1044
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:38,160
so you know there's that um

1045
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:42,000
and i guess genetic connections

1046
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:45,359
familial family connections are kind of

1047
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:46,720
common in

1048
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:49,119
abduction reports usually it's like a

1049
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,240
kid

1050
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:52,560
a a person like me but then like my mom

1051
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:54,000
and then maybe her mom

1052
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:57,119
or her her father has had experiences

1053
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,800
so it looked like it it looks like it

1054
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:00,240
could run in families

1055
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,160
i mean nobody really knows for sure i i

1056
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:06,240
we just don't that's just a fact but it

1057
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:09,040
kind of looks like that um

1058
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,640
some people say i was in the wrong place

1059
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:12,240
at the wrong time some people say i was

1060
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,520
in the right place at the right time

1061
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:15,440
depends on your perspective

1062
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:18,640
and what you want but uh i think i was

1063
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:19,839
just born this way

1064
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,510
it's weird because my mom had my sister

1065
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:29,040
and then she never had any more children

1066
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:30,000
for like almost

1067
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:33,119
almost 12 years 11 years and wanted more

1068
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:35,359
tried for more never happened but the

1069
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,880
minute they moved over here to where we

1070
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,960
called the ufo house

1071
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,640
which was in a neighborhood where people

1072
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:42,400
used to climb up on their roof and

1073
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,720
look at the sky i was conceived and born

1074
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:49,280
and then 14 months later my brother was

1075
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:50,960
born and then i think like 14 months

1076
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:51,680
after him my

1077
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:55,599
sister was born so you know

1078
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:58,640
i don't maybe we uh maybe they helped us

1079
00:45:03,349 --> 00:44:59,839
get here i don't know

1080
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:03,359
it's nobody knows um i hate to throw out

1081
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,800
theories and stuff because

1082
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:06,240
i don't want anybody to think that i

1083
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:07,839
really actually know what's going

1084
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:10,160
what what because i don't i can tell you

1085
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:10,960
what i've

1086
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:13,119
experienced and i can tell you what i

1087
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:14,240
remember

1088
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:17,280
uh but beyond that it's my opinion

1089
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:20,319
and my theory you know and it may be or

1090
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:23,599
may or may not jive with somebody else's

1091
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,839
so uh debbie all these uh different

1092
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:27,440
interactions were they always with these

1093
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:28,000
small

1094
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:31,920
big-eyed beings or was there anyone else

1095
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:32,640
most

1096
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,440
of mine were with these uh this

1097
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:37,280
particular type and i almost got the

1098
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:38,160
feeling

1099
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:41,599
after a while you know

1100
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:44,000
i've seen the same one several times

1101
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:44,880
over the

1102
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,000
course of my life i am 62 years old

1103
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:52,240
he never changed i call him a geek but i

1104
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:53,760
don't know for sure there's no

1105
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:57,520
all of them look exactly the same but

1106
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,839
it almost was a familiar feeling to him

1107
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:01,440
and in retrospect

1108
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:04,480
i think about it now and i'm a believer

1109
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:05,599
in time

1110
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:08,880
travel because of things i've felt about

1111
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:12,960
time and period you know and

1112
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:16,640
dimensions and i just feel like

1113
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:19,760
maybe it's possible that uh these people

1114
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,720
are from our far

1115
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:22,720
far future and maybe that's my great

1116
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:24,560
great great great great great great

1117
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:26,560
great great great to the 10th power

1118
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:28,480
grandson i don't know maybe that's why

1119
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:30,560
they felt so familiar with me

1120
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,680
but uh right just visiting yeah

1121
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:36,000
or trying to fix something right you

1122
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:37,440
know

1123
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,480
but uh my sister

1124
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,240
interesting interestingly enough my

1125
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:44,560
older sister who's had these experiences

1126
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:47,599
hers have been mostly the people

1127
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:51,040
that look like a mantis type the mantis

1128
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:51,920
type

1129
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:54,800
i don't really i don't have anything

1130
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:57,520
like that now i have had

1131
00:47:01,990 --> 00:47:00,240
some uh experiences with people who look

1132
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:02,000
like human beings

1133
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:06,240
very beautiful um and kind

1134
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:10,160
glowy people almost and i've also

1135
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:13,280
seen uh

1136
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,880
in the peripheral tall dark-haired

1137
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,160
dark-eyed people

1138
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:20,640
but they look like humans basically i

1139
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:21,440
mean you know

1140
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,480
you could they could probably pass they

1141
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:26,000
could walk around on

1142
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:28,240
in the street and nobody would pay him

1143
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:29,280
much mind

1144
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:31,040
except maybe on the blonde ones like

1145
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:32,319
they're so pretty

1146
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,880
but uh i've had a couple of interactions

1147
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,720
with something like that

1148
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:38,400
i've also had interaction with something

1149
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:40,240
that i feel is was

1150
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:41,599
i don't think it was a ghost i don't

1151
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,359
think it was a an

1152
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:46,079
alien i i don't know i i think it was

1153
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:47,440
something that lives in some other

1154
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:49,040
dimension because when it passed through

1155
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:50,160
the hallway

1156
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,640
it really wasn't it really didn't seem

1157
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,319
like it even knew i was there it was

1158
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,160
just passing through and it kind of just

1159
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:58,319
flickered in and then flickered out

1160
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:01,760
and it was all blue and and it

1161
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:03,680
seemed like it passed through this

1162
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:06,079
invisible door jamb where it just and it

1163
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,440
went away and i'm like

1164
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:09,520
it was at that point i thought i had

1165
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:10,800
seen i i had

1166
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:13,119
inadvertently seen something that i

1167
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:14,559
probably wasn't supposed to or

1168
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,160
shouldn't have been able to see let me

1169
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:17,920
put it that way

1170
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:20,800
and it was some other dimensional thing

1171
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,920
you know so

1172
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:23,520
i think there's a bunch of stuff going

1173
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:24,800
on with a bunch of different kind of

1174
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:25,440
creatures

1175
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:28,800
i have not had any contact with anything

1176
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:31,760
people people talk about reptilians i've

1177
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:33,520
never seen anything like that

1178
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:35,839
i mean so i can't speak on that i know

1179
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:38,079
people that think they have or have

1180
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:41,599
said that they have but that's

1181
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:43,200
not something that i've had any kind of

1182
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:45,200
interaction with right it's been mostly

1183
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:46,400
the gray

1184
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,520
um people i guess for

1185
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:51,280
i don't know what else to call them i

1186
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:52,960
call them those little guys most of the

1187
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:53,440
time

1188
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:56,640
right well uh debbie do you um

1189
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:59,040
um what was it what did you cover in

1190
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:00,640
this in this upcoming book do you want

1191
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:03,119
to talk about that a little bit

1192
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:07,040
yeah well i i do

1193
00:49:14,829 --> 00:49:10,079
include parts of my old book

1194
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:17,829
um so i go back and i cover

1195
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:19,119
some of the things that i've talked

1196
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:21,200
about tonight here the mark in the yard

1197
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:24,240
and some of the older stuff but i also

1198
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:27,520
have included in this new book uh

1199
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:31,520
some parts of my

1200
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:33,520
everyday life things that have happened

1201
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:35,920
in my everyday life my work life

1202
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:39,440
with friends uh paranormal events

1203
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:41,680
uh that have happened surrounding the

1204
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:44,480
death of my husband and my mom and

1205
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:48,079
um some of the experiences i've had as a

1206
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:50,000
paranormal investigator

1207
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:53,200
like for instance i i i told you i do a

1208
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:54,319
lot of avp

1209
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:58,000
work and i feel like um

1210
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:59,599
some of the things that i've recorded i

1211
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:01,200
don't necessarily think

1212
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:02,960
they ever lived here on this planet i

1213
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,720
wouldn't call them ghosts

1214
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,480
i'm not quite sure who they are where

1215
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:08,640
they are but

1216
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:10,880
i had an epiphany once during one of my

1217
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,240
earliest evp

1218
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:14,480
recording sessions my nephew and i

1219
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:16,160
actually recorded the voice of an old

1220
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,119
man who said are the spirits listening

1221
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:20,960
and then right after that immediately

1222
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,359
after that we recorded a voice

1223
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:25,359
of a child that said can i listen too

1224
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,400
and it was

1225
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:28,160
i had an epiphany in that moment i

1226
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:31,119
realized i am the spirit

1227
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:32,880
that somebody somewhere else is

1228
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:35,599
listening for right now

1229
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:39,359
and um yeah that's interesting

1230
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:41,599
and that's when i got excited about the

1231
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:43,359
whole paranormal research thing because

1232
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:44,720
i really don't think

1233
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:46,240
i don't think that some of that is what

1234
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:48,319
people think it is i don't i don't go to

1235
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:49,359
assume that

1236
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:51,839
everything that we have been or that we

1237
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:53,599
get in contact with

1238
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:56,559
has lived here before ever and i don't

1239
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,400
mean just demons and stuff like that i'm

1240
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:00,000
talking about other

1241
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:03,760
uh i believe that we can

1242
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:07,520
in some instances maybe accidentally

1243
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:10,319
contact you know another dimension for a

1244
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:11,200
brief moment

1245
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:12,720
i drew a picture one time and the

1246
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:14,960
picture will be in my book of a

1247
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,760
cluster of soap bubbles and i called it

1248
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:20,160
casey's bubbles because my youngest son

1249
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:22,000
absolutely loves soap bubbles we played

1250
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:23,200
with them all the time

1251
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,079
and i had one of those um close

1252
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,400
encounter of the third time moments

1253
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:30,240
with what the guy's name in close

1254
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,440
encounters when he does the mashed

1255
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:33,359
potato thing and he has that moment

1256
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:36,800
right i i had a kind of a that's classic

1257
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:38,400
i had a cut yeah i had a kind of a

1258
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:40,240
moment with soap bubbles like that when

1259
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:41,680
i was messing around with them with my

1260
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:44,640
kids and that's what i ended up drawing

1261
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:45,920
and i called it that

1262
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:48,960
but in my mind as i drew them i'm

1263
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:49,599
thinking

1264
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:52,640
each one of those bubbles is a universe

1265
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:53,839
or a dimension

1266
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:56,559
a multiverse each one and they're all

1267
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:57,520
hung together

1268
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,160
in a cluster and everywhere that they

1269
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:01,760
touch

1270
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:05,040
that little flat smooth surface that

1271
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,800
where it looks like both two bubbles

1272
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,640
have become one

1273
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:10,800
and there and they touch however

1274
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:13,040
fleeting and brief it's not permanent

1275
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:15,119
you know eventually one bubble pops or

1276
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:16,319
they slide around

1277
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:19,920
as they drop or move so that little spot

1278
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:21,599
where these bubbles touch

1279
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:24,720
moves and in my mind something was

1280
00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:26,880
saying to me in my brain

1281
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:30,839
it's that spot where the two

1282
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:34,880
meet that you can communicate

1283
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:38,319
it's not permanent it's fleeting it it

1284
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:40,000
moves around

1285
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:43,040
but there's people on the other side who

1286
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,920
know this

1287
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:46,319
and they're making they're actively

1288
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:47,839
working on equipment

1289
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,960
to they know we're here

1290
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:52,720
and i think there might be some people

1291
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:54,160
here that know they're there

1292
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,920
or at least in one of these bubbles you

1293
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:57,359
know what i'm saying and i think that

1294
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:59,200
some of the evps i've recorded have

1295
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:01,359
actually been

1296
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,760
not ghosts or dead people who used to be

1297
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:05,280
here but

1298
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:08,559
some something from one of those bubbles

1299
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:11,359
as i call them well that's what i'm

1300
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:12,800
saying excited about

1301
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:14,160
i'm sorry tim trower just going to say

1302
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:16,160
it seems like um that mashed potato

1303
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:16,800
moment

1304
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:18,559
or you know in your case that that

1305
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:20,079
bubble moment it's

1306
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:22,160
there's always something that i guess

1307
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,240
triggers something hidden and

1308
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:26,160
as you're trying to understand what that

1309
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:28,400
is it kind of makes you look

1310
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:30,640
from and someone outside kind of weird

1311
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:32,079
because you're just staring at it or

1312
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:33,680
doing something weird like in the mashed

1313
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:34,640
potato

1314
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,160
time you know and but instead you're

1315
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:37,920
just remembering and trying to deal with

1316
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,000
this internal feelings that are just

1317
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,960
wreaking havoc with you right and i'm

1318
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:44,480
like i don't

1319
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:46,880
i mean it was at that point in my life

1320
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:49,119
too and i got very interested in physics

1321
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:51,520
um and string theory quantum physics all

1322
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:53,200
the crazy part of physics

1323
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:55,520
and i started to read things about it i

1324
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:57,760
haven't read so much lately

1325
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,640
life has a way of yanking my chain and

1326
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:02,160
dragging me everywhere else i don't want

1327
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:08,150
but i and i have no clue what i'm

1328
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:08,800
reading

1329
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:11,119
mind you when i read these books i don't

1330
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,480
know what any of this stuff means but i

1331
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:14,400
read it because i feel like

1332
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:16,800
it needs to be up in here and eventually

1333
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:18,160
i'll figure it out

1334
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:21,760
but um so and then you know so that but

1335
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:22,240
that was

1336
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:25,040
a triggering moment for me when i had my

1337
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:25,839
my roy

1338
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:27,359
i think his name was roy but i had my

1339
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:29,440
roy moment with the bubbles

1340
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:32,720
but um and

1341
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:35,280
uh that's my mind just kind of opened up

1342
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:36,640
at that point but anyway that

1343
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:39,680
that all is in my new book that

1344
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:42,400
i talk about this uh this kind of stuff

1345
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:42,799
and

1346
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:46,319
um my theory about what i think human

1347
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:47,119
beings are

1348
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:50,880
and where we're headed and uh my theory

1349
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:54,559
i'm i don't i let me say about

1350
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:57,680
everything that i share with everybody i

1351
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:58,799
will tell you

1352
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,680
what i remember i'll tell you what i

1353
00:55:04,829 --> 00:55:03,359
know in the best way i know how i'm not

1354
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:04,839
the

1355
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:08,079
best uh uh to you know i don't know all

1356
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:08,720
the best

1357
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:11,599
biggest words but i'll tell you what i

1358
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:13,040
remember what i know

1359
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,839
and then i'll tell you what i think but

1360
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:17,680
i want you to understand that it's

1361
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:22,079
my opinion it's not a fact i don't know

1362
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,440
i don't know who

1363
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:27,520
i've had contact with i don't know where

1364
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:28,640
they're from i don't know

1365
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:32,160
what the agenda is i suspect it could be

1366
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:35,200
multiple different agendas uh for a

1367
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:36,240
variety of

1368
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:38,480
you know different things i think there

1369
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:39,760
are a bunch of stuff going on

1370
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:43,280
not just one thing so but all that i

1371
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:45,760
talk about in my new book and how

1372
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:48,640
the experience has shaped me and has

1373
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:49,760
affected my

1374
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:53,280
whole life not just the paranormal part

1375
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:54,319
of it

1376
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:57,520
but my whole life honest to god had it

1377
00:56:04,309 --> 00:55:59,760
not been for bud hopkins

1378
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:04,319
and meeting him even regardless of

1379
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:08,240
of the experience in june of 83

1380
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:10,880
had i not met bud there is not one

1381
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:11,920
single thing

1382
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:15,280
about my life right now that would be

1383
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:18,880
in existence i can't even imagine

1384
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,000
how my life would be without it

1385
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:24,400
so even though the early parts of my ufo

1386
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:26,319
experiences and paranormal experiences

1387
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:28,400
were scary

1388
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:29,839
i wouldn't trade them for the world

1389
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:32,400
because they're the reason i have this

1390
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,720
life i have now the husband i have the

1391
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:36,000
grandkids i have

1392
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:38,319
i mean nothing about my life would be

1393
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:39,280
the way it is now

1394
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:42,079
so i not so and i talk about all of this

1395
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:44,160
i talk about how i've

1396
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:47,119
survived it i've talked about how i've

1397
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:49,359
used it to make me a better person

1398
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:54,319
a stronger person um and a more um

1399
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:57,119
i don't know enlightened person for i

1400
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,559
don't know how to put it that sounds

1401
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:00,559
kind of corny and hokey but

1402
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:03,359
you know i become less religious and

1403
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:05,359
more spiritual

1404
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:08,079
as i've processed gone through this

1405
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:09,839
process

1406
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:11,920
and i want people out there who are like

1407
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:13,760
me who've had a life like me

1408
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:15,839
who are having a life like mine right

1409
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:18,000
now to know they're not alone

1410
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:21,359
i was blessed and so fortunate and

1411
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:22,160
grateful

1412
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:24,079
to have support of my family my

1413
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:25,680
neighbors my coworkers

1414
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:28,160
my employers pretty much everyone in my

1415
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:29,440
immediate

1416
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:32,000
circle you know i was very fortunate to

1417
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:33,200
have all this support

1418
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:36,160
and i know most people don't and i want

1419
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:38,000
to pay that forward

1420
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:40,000
debbie what do you say we go uh into

1421
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:41,440
some question and answers

1422
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:44,160
but uh uh i want to uh just make that

1423
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:45,520
quick announcement that we're getting to

1424
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,480
that stage

1425
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,720
but and uh i have a question for you

1426
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:50,480
that i hope you can um

1427
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:53,200
uh get to first but uh to anyone

1428
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:54,640
watching uh if you

1429
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:57,680
simply put three three stars before you

1430
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,599
in the chat three stars before your

1431
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:01,440
question that way i know you're

1432
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:02,640
referring or

1433
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:05,040
have a question for the guest and uh

1434
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:06,880
then i'll just go down the list whoever

1435
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:08,480
has some questions for debbie

1436
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:11,200
but uh debbie the question i wanted to

1437
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:12,559
ask specifically

1438
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,559
when you first started working with bud

1439
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:16,160
hopkins what was

1440
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:18,559
what was some of the first things that i

1441
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:19,599
guess

1442
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:22,000
kind of were revealed to you with you

1443
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:22,640
know through

1444
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,680
to the hypnosis process

1445
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:27,599
well when i when i first started to work

1446
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:28,720
with bud and

1447
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:32,160
i went to new york for the first time

1448
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:34,400
the first couple of hypnosis sessions i

1449
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:36,720
had were actually with dr clamar

1450
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:38,960
i think her name was aphrodite kamar she

1451
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:40,079
was a psychologist

1452
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:42,400
or psychotherapist or something that i

1453
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:44,240
don't know how bud met her or got her

1454
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:45,200
involved but

1455
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:48,400
he took me to see her very nice woman

1456
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:51,760
very calm and quiet and patient and

1457
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:54,079
her intention i think was to um just

1458
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:55,760
show me i was very leery of the whole

1459
00:59:02,630 --> 00:58:56,480
hypno

1460
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:02,640
had had a very bad experience under the

1461
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,000
one that had the experience

1462
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:06,559
uh the the uh contact extraterrestrial

1463
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:08,000
in 65

1464
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:10,160
she years later tried to be hypnotized

1465
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:11,440
to i don't know whether it was quit

1466
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:12,799
smoking or lose weight might have been

1467
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:13,920
to lose weight

1468
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:16,960
went with a friend and to this like they

1469
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:18,880
used to have those group hypnotherapy

1470
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:20,559
things to lose weight and whatnot

1471
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:23,359
and she did that and her friend yeah was

1472
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:24,960
lose weight her friend did

1473
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:27,839
great but when kathy came home that

1474
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:28,720
night

1475
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:31,040
she didn't feel right and she was like

1476
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:32,160
she when she woke up

1477
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:34,559
she couldn't speak she couldn't move it

1478
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:36,480
was like she was having seizures

1479
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:41,200
i mean she was messed up for a long time

1480
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:42,880
and so that was in the back of my mind

1481
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:44,559
i'm like i don't want no part of that

1482
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:46,960
because i don't know if her reaction to

1483
00:59:49,829 --> 00:59:47,760
that

1484
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,839
weight loss hypnosis was because of her

1485
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:51,920
ufo stuff

1486
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:55,520
but um dr kamar calmed me down and

1487
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:56,480
reassured me

1488
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:00,079
hypno hypnosis is simply an extremely

1489
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,960
relaxed state of mind and that i won't

1490
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:04,559
do anything

1491
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:07,599
uh under hypnosis that

1492
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:10,079
uh i wouldn't do consciously i mean it

1493
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:11,280
wouldn't go against my

1494
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:14,640
morals or anything like that uh

1495
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:16,240
and the first couple sessions i had with

1496
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:18,400
her really i didn't remember

1497
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:20,559
anything i just kind of she just took me

1498
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:22,400
to a relaxed place and then

1499
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:25,119
let me see how it felt and then brought

1500
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:25,680
me back

1501
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:28,720
you know and then um

1502
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:31,839
with bud basically i

1503
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:33,839
he did basically the same thing that dr

1504
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:35,599
klamar did the same he used the same

1505
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:36,720
technique

1506
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:40,240
and um he kind of just

1507
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:42,960
you know let me be in a relaxed place

1508
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:44,079
and then

1509
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:47,760
uh i don't

1510
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:50,880
really i didn't really remember a whole

1511
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:51,520
bunch of

1512
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:54,079
anything in any of our sessions there

1513
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:54,799
might be

1514
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:56,400
one or two sessions where i remembered

1515
01:01:02,549 --> 01:00:58,960
some stuff but the majority of

1516
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:02,559
what i remembered usually came after the

1517
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:03,359
session

1518
01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:05,599
for like two weeks because it was like

1519
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:08,480
once i kind of opened that door in there

1520
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:11,760
uh it would be like i would go home

1521
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:15,119
from new york and then all of a sudden

1522
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:16,880
something would trigger a memory and i'd

1523
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:18,000
be like oh my god i can't believe i

1524
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:19,839
forgot that my mom and i used to sit and

1525
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:21,440
have conversations

1526
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:24,480
about stuff that i was remembering after

1527
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:26,559
coming home from new york

1528
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:28,480
and my mom would be like oh my god i

1529
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:30,400
can't i can't believe we forgot that you

1530
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:31,200
know

1531
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:34,319
so um i'm kind of

1532
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:37,359
i'm going back on my original

1533
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:38,960
message saying that you know i'll ask

1534
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:40,880
you one more question and move on q

1535
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:44,000
a but i do want to ask you about um

1536
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:46,640
do you does did bud record any of these

1537
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:47,280
um

1538
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:49,760
regression sets yes so all of them were

1539
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:52,960
recorded did you finally just

1540
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:55,920
no i i never had copy of mine but every

1541
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:57,920
session that i did have with bud i only

1542
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:59,599
had i didn't have that many because

1543
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:01,359
i mean he lived in new york and i lived

1544
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:03,280
in indiana so i mean there wasn't that

1545
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:03,760
many

1546
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:06,160
opportunities to have you know

1547
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:07,599
hypnotherapy

1548
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:09,839
with him so i think maybe there might

1549
01:02:14,710 --> 01:02:12,160
have been five

1550
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:14,720
or six sessions total i'm maybe not even

1551
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:15,839
that many

1552
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:19,200
um they were all recorded and there was

1553
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:20,240
always someone there

1554
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:22,559
it wasn't just him and me i know one

1555
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:24,160
time tracy tormey sat

1556
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:28,079
in on one of the sessions uh of course

1557
01:02:32,789 --> 01:02:31,440
dr kumar was in on one and

1558
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:32,799
there but there were always there was

1559
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:34,720
always somebody else

1560
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:37,280
in there with me and him and he recorded

1561
01:02:42,069 --> 01:02:39,839
everything but i do not have

1562
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:42,079
sadly i don't have those tapes i also

1563
01:02:49,589 --> 01:02:48,630
a lot of the artwork that i gave him

1564
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:49,599
that i did

1565
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:51,359
that i have pictures of which i have

1566
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,119
photographs of them and the photographs

1567
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:55,440
in my book of some of the artwork i did

1568
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:57,599
but then i gave him all of my original

1569
01:03:01,589 --> 01:02:58,559
stuff

1570
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:01,599
and it's all gone i don't know what

1571
01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:03,200
happened to all his stuff when he passed

1572
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:03,839
away so

1573
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:07,440
i i don't have any of it sadly

1574
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:09,280
well um there's one question that came

1575
01:03:14,710 --> 01:03:11,119
through from uh fabrizia

1576
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:14,720
he's uh he's asking with night terror

1577
01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:17,359
with night terrors intrusions and

1578
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:18,319
predative

1579
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:22,720
feel to it is this a legit feel to it

1580
01:03:27,510 --> 01:03:25,520
or need to reevaluate our personal

1581
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:27,520
perspective

1582
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:30,720
if does that make sense i'm not

1583
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:32,880
i'm not quite clear on that i think you

1584
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:34,720
helped me he's i think he's asking

1585
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:38,000
uh particularly about the

1586
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:40,799
the terrors if there's if that's the

1587
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:41,839
genuine

1588
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:43,680
feeling that you should be feeling is it

1589
01:03:49,029 --> 01:03:45,760
just our our perspective that

1590
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:49,039
makes it scary oh yeah

1591
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:51,280
right i think that's what he's asking

1592
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:52,400
okay um

1593
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:54,480
yeah well like i said i wouldn't i would

1594
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:56,400
not have those experiences again

1595
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:05,430
i mean like now i wouldn't be afraid but

1596
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:07,119
i would certainly be startled

1597
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:08,640
i mean because you don't expect that

1598
01:04:12,069 --> 01:04:10,400
just the sheer uh

1599
01:04:13,270 --> 01:04:12,079
something coming at you that you've

1600
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:13,280
never seen before you don't know

1601
01:04:17,349 --> 01:04:15,280
anything about i mean you're gonna be

1602
01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:17,359
uh startled and your first thought as a

1603
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:18,400
human being is go

1604
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:19,839
is this thing gonna kill me and hate me

1605
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:22,000
or you know i mean i think that's normal

1606
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:22,880
reaction

1607
01:04:27,029 --> 01:04:25,680
to anything and then i i think to myself

1608
01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:27,039
look

1609
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:31,119
when a when a child goes to the doctor

1610
01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:32,559
and the doctor gives that child a

1611
01:04:37,109 --> 01:04:35,039
vaccination that child doesn't know what

1612
01:04:39,670 --> 01:04:37,119
that vaccination is for

1613
01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:39,680
he doesn't know why this man is doing

1614
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:40,400
this to him

1615
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:43,200
it hurts it's the kid screams and he's

1616
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:44,559
scared and he cries

1617
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:46,880
but the doctor and the mother know this

1618
01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:47,760
is good

1619
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:49,599
this is a good thing for this child this

1620
01:04:54,309 --> 01:04:51,440
is going to you know

1621
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:54,319
save this child's life later so i kind

1622
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:57,200
of feel like it in that some way

1623
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:00,720
i don't i don't in any instance

1624
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:02,960
feel as if anything that might have been

1625
01:05:07,990 --> 01:05:04,960
done to me that was harmful

1626
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:08,000
or scared me was intentional

1627
01:05:11,670 --> 01:05:10,400
i do not feel that at all i do not feel

1628
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:11,680
any kind of malice or

1629
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:15,280
negative i feel like my fear was my own

1630
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:18,480
my own not knowing what was going on and

1631
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:21,200
and what was happening and not

1632
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:22,400
understanding

1633
01:05:26,230 --> 01:05:24,000
that's where my fear and terror come

1634
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:26,240
from you know and my my basic

1635
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:29,200
primal instincts of not die you know

1636
01:05:34,829 --> 01:05:31,280
when you're faced with something unknown

1637
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:34,839
it's scary but like i said in the bigger

1638
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:36,000
picture

1639
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:37,839
i i don't believe that anything that was

1640
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:39,280
ever done to me was done

1641
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:43,119
in malice with with bad intent

1642
01:05:46,470 --> 01:05:45,839
okay so uh the next question i have is

1643
01:05:48,789 --> 01:05:46,480
from m

1644
01:05:50,230 --> 01:05:48,799
roland says did your encounters feel

1645
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:50,240
like dreams originally

1646
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:52,480
sorry i missed most of the live live

1647
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:53,760
show i guess that's what he's trying to

1648
01:05:58,150 --> 01:05:54,640
say

1649
01:06:02,069 --> 01:05:58,160
yeah my um i have always

1650
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:02,079
referred to many of them as dreams

1651
01:06:07,190 --> 01:06:05,119
mostly and it would irritate researchers

1652
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:07,200
to no end but look i got to live with it

1653
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:07,839
i have to

1654
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:14,000
there's some things that even now i have

1655
01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:15,920
a hard time

1656
01:06:22,870 --> 01:06:20,240
uh with but

1657
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:22,880
i will tell you a lot of it wasn't a

1658
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:25,839
dream i wasn't anywhere close to asleep

1659
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:28,880
and um the the

1660
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:31,440
i do have had i have had some what i

1661
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:33,359
call vivid dreams they're not the same

1662
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:34,640
as a regular dream

1663
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:37,440
in those dreams i'm in the dream i'm

1664
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:38,720
participating in it

1665
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,680
it's very vivid it's color it's 3d and

1666
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:43,280
once i wake up

1667
01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:46,400
i remember it and the longer i'm awake

1668
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:49,520
the more of it i remember and it never

1669
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:50,319
goes away

1670
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:53,920
when i have a regular dream i might wake

1671
01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:54,720
up

1672
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:56,799
and think oh i had a dream it was kind

1673
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:58,880
of weird but like an hour later i don't

1674
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:00,559
even remember having a dream

1675
01:07:06,789 --> 01:07:03,920
so i have these two different things and

1676
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:06,799
some of my weird stuff is that second or

1677
01:07:12,390 --> 01:07:09,440
that first kind of vivid dream

1678
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:12,400
but you know sometimes i think when i go

1679
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:13,359
to sleep i go

1680
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:16,480
somewhere else so i don't know you know

1681
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:17,920
if maybe i'm

1682
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:20,960
going somewhere else in my spirit you

1683
01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:21,599
know i mean

1684
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:23,680
and having these experiences i don't

1685
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:25,680
know i don't know that either

1686
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:31,270
well i mean it's it's difficult trying

1687
01:07:35,109 --> 01:07:32,640
to figure it out when these

1688
01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:35,119
events just constantly it's not like you

1689
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:35,680
remember

1690
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:38,160
everything in a chronological order you

1691
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:38,799
know it's

1692
01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:40,720
you just off the sudden this pops in or

1693
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:42,400
that pops in and this happened different

1694
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:43,520
times to different

1695
01:07:47,589 --> 01:07:45,839
different decades sometimes so you know

1696
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:47,599
can't can't blame you for not

1697
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:50,480
having it you know fully all figured out

1698
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:52,400
but uh um

1699
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:54,240
i probably never gonna fully all figured

1700
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:56,480
out i'm still a work in progress as far

1701
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:57,599
as my

1702
01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:00,319
growth and i and i occasionally might

1703
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:02,000
pop up a remember something that

1704
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:02,880
happened

1705
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:06,000
you know 45 years ago and i'm like what

1706
01:08:08,549 --> 01:08:07,520
i can't remember what i had for dinner

1707
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:08,559
yesterday

1708
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:10,799
but i can remember something they had 25

1709
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:13,520
years ago what's that

1710
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:15,680
well i just want to uh quickly uh remind

1711
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:17,520
everyone in the description below

1712
01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:20,400
uh debbie's website is there and also

1713
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:21,679
the publishers

1714
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:24,000
page where there's some more info about

1715
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:24,799
the book

1716
01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:26,880
um i'll stay in touch with debbie and

1717
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:28,560
and we'll get that updated when

1718
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:31,199
if and when well when the book goes live

1719
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:31,920
and so

1720
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:34,000
that way there's a direct buy link there

1721
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:36,159
but uh yeah check that out uh

1722
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:38,640
while while you're watching the show so

1723
01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:40,640
uh debbie uh um while i'm waiting for

1724
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:42,719
another question i wanted to

1725
01:08:48,149 --> 01:08:45,920
uh to ask you do you do you have you

1726
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:48,159
recently still had some contacts

1727
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:51,199
or or do you think as majority of it has

1728
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:53,359
just subsided and you're allowed to kind

1729
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:56,480
of go back to your normal life

1730
01:09:00,309 --> 01:08:58,159
well you know there were a few times in

1731
01:09:00,709 --> 01:09:00,319
my life when i actually actively tried

1732
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:00,719
to

1733
01:09:09,910 --> 01:09:07,839
for periods of time but somehow the

1734
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:09,920
phenomenon always found me and kind of

1735
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:12,480
dropped kicked me right back into it

1736
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:14,560
this point in my life now i haven't had

1737
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:15,600
any

1738
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:19,440
physical you know contact

1739
01:09:25,990 --> 01:09:22,799
that i'm aware of um i've been

1740
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:26,000
having i guess i call them psychic

1741
01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:26,799
moments

1742
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:30,159
little little visions and uh

1743
01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:32,640
psychic i guess if you want to call it

1744
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:33,679
psychic

1745
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:36,960
you know and spiritual

1746
01:09:42,159 --> 01:09:46,789
but i uh

1747
01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:49,110
and you know but it's not that i'm not

1748
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:50,080
open to it now

1749
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:51,759
it's just that i don't know that it's

1750
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:53,120
necessary anymore

1751
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:57,360
i think that uh it's like my contact

1752
01:10:01,750 --> 01:10:00,719
has gradually over years moved from a

1753
01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:01,760
physical

1754
01:10:08,709 --> 01:10:05,440
to a an energetic like maybe

1755
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:08,719
level you know and

1756
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:11,040
now i'm focused now that i'm retired you

1757
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:12,800
know like i said life has a way of

1758
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:14,960
yanking your chain and dragging you

1759
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:17,120
a round where you really not necessarily

1760
01:10:21,270 --> 01:10:19,360
want to be but you got to pay the bills

1761
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:21,280
you know so for 15 years i worked in a

1762
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:22,480
factory and

1763
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:24,560
it not only beat my body up but it

1764
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:26,239
consumed a lot of time

1765
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:30,000
in my life but when the pandemic came i

1766
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:31,040
tried to find a

1767
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,640
uh a silver lining in that cloud and

1768
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:36,239
in that seven or eight weeks my plant

1769
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:37,760
was shut down i finished i actually

1770
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:39,520
finished the book that i started on

1771
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:43,199
years before and so um

1772
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:46,480
you know now i'm retired and uh

1773
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:48,400
everything is dovetailing all at once as

1774
01:10:52,149 --> 01:10:49,840
a matter of fact actually

1775
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:52,159
the publisher that's doing my book

1776
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:53,520
august night press

1777
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:57,120
just um i think last week uh

1778
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:00,640
re-released intruders and missing time

1779
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:04,080
two of bud's classic books for uh

1780
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:06,560
to be reprinted and to be purchased so

1781
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:07,760
now those are available

1782
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:10,320
on amazon and all fine online book

1783
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:11,280
places

1784
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:14,159
and i think it's great obviously it's it

1785
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:14,960
helps me

1786
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:17,440
because uh intruders was my life you

1787
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:19,120
know if you can send me that link i'll

1788
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:20,560
put in the description below

1789
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,840
uh later on okay and um

1790
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:25,520
so but i think it's great for a whole

1791
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:28,400
new crop of young uh people who are

1792
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:30,960
interested in the subject now um to be

1793
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:31,760
able to have

1794
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:35,040
these uh really you know

1795
01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:38,000
pioneering books especially missing time

1796
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:38,880
um

1797
01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:44,159
anybody who's interested seriously in

1798
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:46,000
ufos really needs to have these books in

1799
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:47,360
their library

1800
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:48,960
uh and it comes and if you don't have a

1801
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:50,560
library anymore i think you can get it

1802
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:51,760
on kindle too

1803
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:55,920
but um the the climate has changed so

1804
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:57,199
much

1805
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:00,640
in 35 years when i first came out

1806
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:03,679
publicly i really wasn't uh

1807
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:05,840
all that thrilled about it and had to

1808
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:08,320
have a little coaxing by bud

1809
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:10,480
but the thought of helping other people

1810
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:12,239
was eventually

1811
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:15,679
more powerful than me and i

1812
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:17,760
succumbed to it and decided to go ahead

1813
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:20,400
and let my story be public

1814
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:22,320
i took one for my family team you know

1815
01:12:25,510 --> 01:12:24,000
nobody else wanted to go around and talk

1816
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:25,520
about it so i did

1817
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:29,440
and uh but they supported me and now

1818
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:31,440
i mean but but you didn't you wouldn't

1819
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:32,480
think of wearing an

1820
01:12:36,149 --> 01:12:34,640
alien head on a t-shirt by any means or

1821
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:36,159
even talking about it

1822
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:38,640
without whispering you know in a public

1823
01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:41,199
area and now it's like

1824
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:43,120
it's cool i mean you go to walmart and

1825
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:45,199
buy a lunchbox with alien heads on them

1826
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:46,320
and

1827
01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:50,640
television shows on talking about them

1828
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:51,280
and they have

1829
01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:54,640
huge followings and you know so

1830
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:56,239
the climate has changed people are

1831
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:58,239
changing so um

1832
01:13:01,590 --> 01:13:00,800
so it's almost like you know like me i'm

1833
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:01,600
changing and

1834
01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:05,120
and becoming different and uh growing

1835
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:06,400
from all this and i think

1836
01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:09,360
humanity as a whole is too at this time

1837
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:09,840
so

1838
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:12,400
uh well talking talking about shows one

1839
01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:13,840
of the other questions from william

1840
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:14,320
divorce

1841
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:16,960
i i watched a documentary with you in it

1842
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:18,400
you talked about children

1843
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:25,910
um yes i had when i

1844
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:28,080
was married to my first husband the one

1845
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:30,719
who i had was married to when i had that

1846
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:31,840
with the two guys that came in the

1847
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:34,880
bedroom um

1848
01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:36,560
before we got married i found out i was

1849
01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:38,159
pregnant we had intended on getting

1850
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:39,920
married and having a wedding in june but

1851
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:41,679
we moved it up to april because i found

1852
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:43,040
out i was pregnant

1853
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:46,320
and um

1854
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:49,280
i was a few months along and i had a

1855
01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:50,080
strange

1856
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:53,600
dream and i called it a dream because

1857
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:55,760
it was one of those vivid dream like

1858
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:57,679
things but the next morning when i woke

1859
01:14:00,070 --> 01:13:58,880
up i felt like

1860
01:14:02,229 --> 01:14:00,080
my there was something wrong with my

1861
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:02,239
baby i

1862
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:03,840
checked myself and everything looked

1863
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:06,560
normal but i couldn't shake the feeling

1864
01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:09,360
and i started to remember little bits

1865
01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:11,199
and pieces of

1866
01:14:14,229 --> 01:14:13,120
some kind of a medical procedure and i

1867
01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:14,239
remembered feeling

1868
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:22,149
so my girlfriend again the the same gal

1869
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:22,640
that i

1870
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:24,800
rode around in the country stalking her

1871
01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:26,080
boyfriend

1872
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:29,360
um she says to me come on i'll take you

1873
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:30,480
to planned parenthood you get a

1874
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:32,080
pregnancy test

1875
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:34,960
um it'll say you're pregnant and you

1876
01:14:40,149 --> 01:14:37,280
know you can calm down and shut up

1877
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:40,159
so i went i had the pregnancy test there

1878
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:41,600
it was negative

1879
01:14:46,630 --> 01:14:45,120
and the gal was telling me you know if

1880
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:46,640
you don't have your period in the next

1881
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:48,080
week you need to see your physician

1882
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:51,040
at that point i was like out of my mind

1883
01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:56,229
so i went and my girlfriend was trying

1884
01:15:00,870 --> 01:14:57,280
to console me

1885
01:15:03,430 --> 01:15:00,880
and uh she

1886
01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:03,440
took me home i told my mom something was

1887
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:04,640
wrong and i need to go to the doctor

1888
01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:07,920
right away so she took me to the doctor

1889
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:10,719
i the doctor gave me another pregnancy

1890
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:11,120
test

1891
01:15:14,310 --> 01:15:13,440
and another uh exam and then he had me

1892
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:14,320
go into this

1893
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:17,520
little office with my mom and he told my

1894
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:19,360
mom that i was not pregnant

1895
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:22,000
that he wasn't sure what happened but we

1896
01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:23,199
see this

1897
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:26,560
a lot it's not that big a deal basically

1898
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:28,480
he looked at me and said you're young

1899
01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:29,679
you're going to have other kids

1900
01:15:33,189 --> 01:15:31,280
if i really just forget this ever

1901
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:33,199
happened and my mom is like well wait

1902
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:35,040
does she need to have like a dnc

1903
01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:36,480
or something it's like no everything

1904
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:38,080
looks fine

1905
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:43,830
i remember saying to him i am never

1906
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:45,520
going to forget this as long as i live

1907
01:15:48,709 --> 01:15:47,040
and we walked out of that place and we

1908
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:48,719
never spoke of it again

1909
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:52,320
never and um then

1910
01:15:59,189 --> 01:15:55,760
uh years later

1911
01:16:02,790 --> 01:15:59,199
during the investigation i have no

1912
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:02,800
clue why i started thinking about this

1913
01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:03,520
pregnancy

1914
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:06,800
and i blurted it out to bud one day and

1915
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:10,400
i immediately regretted it because i saw

1916
01:16:14,709 --> 01:16:11,520
the look on his face

1917
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:14,719
was one of first horror and then

1918
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:16,880
oh my god she's crazy poor thing and

1919
01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:18,480
he's like well i'm sorry

1920
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:20,159
i'm that you went through that and i

1921
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:22,800
thought oh god i'm crazy i'm stupid

1922
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:24,560
and i said i have no idea why i'm even

1923
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:25,920
mentioning this to you and i don't know

1924
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:27,520
why it

1925
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:34,630
well years later

1926
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:37,760
um i

1927
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:41,040
i had uh dreams

1928
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:44,960
of someone in a in a medical setting

1929
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:46,320
taking my baby

1930
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:49,440
i had further down the road i dreamed of

1931
01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:50,640
seeing

1932
01:16:57,669 --> 01:16:54,560
a child with these little guys

1933
01:16:58,229 --> 01:16:57,679
that didn't look like them looked more

1934
01:17:01,669 --> 01:16:58,239
like a

1935
01:17:03,510 --> 01:17:01,679
regular human being and

1936
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:03,520
somehow feeling or being told that that

1937
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:05,120
was my baby that was

1938
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:09,120
my kid and um

1939
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:12,159
but you know that sounds crazy and i

1940
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:12,640
couldn't

1941
01:17:17,189 --> 01:17:16,000
accept it as and i still have a hard

1942
01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:17,199
time with it

1943
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:19,280
first of all i lost a baby that i was

1944
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:21,120
hoping to have and that was getting used

1945
01:17:24,870 --> 01:17:22,800
to being pregnant and you know that was

1946
01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:24,880
hard enough in and of itself but

1947
01:17:28,229 --> 01:17:27,840
the weird dreams around it were even

1948
01:17:29,830 --> 01:17:28,239
more

1949
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:29,840
strange and at first i didn't want bud

1950
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:31,280
to put any of it in the book

1951
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:32,880
because it was embarrassing and i'm like

1952
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:34,719
i don't want people i don't

1953
01:17:38,630 --> 01:17:36,000
i don't want to talk about this we

1954
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:38,640
didn't talk about it for you know years

1955
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:41,040
uh and i don't know why i even told you

1956
01:17:43,910 --> 01:17:42,000
but eventually

1957
01:17:45,990 --> 01:17:43,920
i guess he started having people

1958
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:46,000
contacting him

1959
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:49,760
similar things happen

1960
01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:52,320
and some even more way more

1961
01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:53,679
extraordinary than

1962
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:57,520
mine and so um

1963
01:18:01,750 --> 01:18:00,480
you know eventually i gave him

1964
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:01,760
permission to include it in the book

1965
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:03,360
when he first wrote the book i'm like no

1966
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:04,560
i don't want that in there don't put

1967
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:05,760
that in there i don't want to talk about

1968
01:18:13,110 --> 01:18:06,800
it

1969
01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:13,120
and then i had dreams of seeing um

1970
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:14,560
another child

1971
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:17,679
i i thought it was mine it was a

1972
01:18:23,189 --> 01:18:21,040
different one but i don't remember how

1973
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:23,199
this child came to be and i don't

1974
01:18:28,149 --> 01:18:24,840
remember having any dreams about it

1975
01:18:30,149 --> 01:18:28,159
so you know

1976
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:30,159
bud's theory was that that was some kind

1977
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:31,920
of hybrid between

1978
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:35,440
us and them i don't know

1979
01:18:41,910 --> 01:18:38,560
maybe it was but i don't know

1980
01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:41,920
i honestly don't know and

1981
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:45,440
so i i just i try to live with the

1982
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:48,159
memory and i try to live with the fact

1983
01:18:51,189 --> 01:18:49,679
that i've told the whole world about it

1984
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:51,199
now i look like an

1985
01:18:57,750 --> 01:18:55,679
idiot but uh you know i

1986
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:57,760
it is what it is and i mean i have the

1987
01:19:01,430 --> 01:18:59,280
medical records

1988
01:19:02,870 --> 01:19:01,440
from well debbie i think it's not any

1989
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:02,880
any

1990
01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:06,239
already just experienced

1991
01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:07,840
all these different things told us

1992
01:19:12,149 --> 01:19:09,760
earlier it's it's like

1993
01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:12,159
you know it's just the next evolution

1994
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:12,960
well it's

1995
01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:16,560
yeah it feels crazier than just the mark

1996
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:18,560
in the yard and all the other stuff

1997
01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:20,159
well you know sometimes you just have to

1998
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:22,719
still you know to you still have to

1999
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:24,320
mention it talk about it you know

2000
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:25,120
because

2001
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:28,719
time hasn't had that experience

2002
01:19:32,709 --> 01:19:30,640
doesn't mean that it's not real in some

2003
01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:32,719
way you know and of course we don't know

2004
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:34,080
but the point is

2005
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:37,120
who knows by you saying something doing

2006
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:38,880
something for the first time you are the

2007
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:40,719
trailblazer

2008
01:19:46,229 --> 01:19:43,920
the fact is i was pregnant

2009
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:46,239
my doctor and my mom and i actually even

2010
01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:47,760
had a conversation about how

2011
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:49,199
he thought i might be a little farther

2012
01:19:53,669 --> 01:19:51,120
along than i thought i was

2013
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:53,679
and you know i was young i was i wasn't

2014
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:54,800
even 18 yet

2015
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:57,360
so i had no i know nothing about

2016
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:58,560
pregnancy

2017
01:20:01,669 --> 01:20:00,640
i really wasn't looking to get pregnant

2018
01:20:04,950 --> 01:20:01,679
at that time

2019
01:20:07,350 --> 01:20:04,960
but it was what it was and so uh

2020
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:07,360
and then all of a sudden i wasn't and

2021
01:20:10,629 --> 01:20:08,400
there was no

2022
01:20:12,070 --> 01:20:10,639
explanation for it and the only thing i

2023
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:12,080
had left were these

2024
01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:15,280
horrible nightmares for years with

2025
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:19,360
it you know so i called him nightmares

2026
01:20:22,950 --> 01:20:21,520
but you know so it is what it is it

2027
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:22,960
happened

2028
01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:24,800
and i don't know what to make of it

2029
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:26,480
sometimes and i don't expect

2030
01:20:29,990 --> 01:20:28,320
other people to figure out what to make

2031
01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:30,000
of it i know bud had his theory i know

2032
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:31,679
dave jacobs has his series

2033
01:20:35,110 --> 01:20:32,880
i know a lot of people have their

2034
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:35,120
theories and that's great

2035
01:20:39,030 --> 01:20:36,560
was that the only instance that you

2036
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:39,040
remember or that you know of

2037
01:20:44,870 --> 01:20:42,239
that's the only one um

2038
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:44,880
that was like that yeah the only time

2039
01:20:49,270 --> 01:20:46,000
that i know of that i was

2040
01:20:52,709 --> 01:20:49,280
actually pregnant i mean then i had my

2041
01:20:54,149 --> 01:20:52,719
son not too long after that i got

2042
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:54,159
pregnant with my son

2043
01:20:59,830 --> 01:20:57,360
and then that was a horrible mess i had

2044
01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:59,840
i was i almost died he was born by

2045
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:01,120
emergency c-section

2046
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:03,440
when i was seven months pregnant and

2047
01:21:06,629 --> 01:21:04,639
then

2048
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:06,639
you know shortly after him i got

2049
01:21:10,629 --> 01:21:08,080
pregnant with the

2050
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:10,639
the other kid and you know my baby

2051
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:11,760
making

2052
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:14,400
days was over by the time i was 23 years

2053
01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:16,239
old i had they had to take all my

2054
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:17,840
insides out the doctor said i was

2055
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:19,760
trashed so that was

2056
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:21,920
actually the word that the doctor used

2057
01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:23,600
when he did my hysterectomy he said you

2058
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:24,000
were

2059
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:27,040
trashed like okay

2060
01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:30,480
but um yeah i know that was the only

2061
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:30,800
time

2062
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:33,120
that first pregnancy was the weird one

2063
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:33,840
that's very

2064
01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:35,760
emotional though especially when you

2065
01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:37,040
know that that

2066
01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:40,000
you you were you know having a baby

2067
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:41,520
because i know my wife and i we had to

2068
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:43,120
miscarriage you know and it's

2069
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:45,520
it's so weird that even though you've

2070
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:46,480
never

2071
01:21:50,629 --> 01:21:48,639
seen the baby you know know it's coming

2072
01:21:53,189 --> 01:21:50,639
but then understanding that

2073
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:53,199
it's not going to be born it's it's a

2074
01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:55,280
feeling like

2075
01:22:00,149 --> 01:21:58,320
like a like a you know like

2076
01:22:01,990 --> 01:22:00,159
it's devastating it's a devastating but

2077
01:22:03,830 --> 01:22:02,000
it's like a person that you have known

2078
01:22:06,229 --> 01:22:03,840
although i've never seen a baby just the

2079
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:06,239
thought and knowledge that it was there

2080
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:07,760
and not there anymore

2081
01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:10,000
you know and um you know i feel your

2082
01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:11,360
pain i'm sorry that

2083
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:14,639
that that you know did that

2084
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:16,800
they and i i appreciate that thank you

2085
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:18,320
you know i always said

2086
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:21,600
it's hard to talk about it because

2087
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:24,560
i mean it's it was a lot harder you know

2088
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:27,360
25 or 30 years ago than it is now

2089
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:31,280
uh but i mean it's still how societal

2090
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:33,520
standards change huh

2091
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:36,080
yeah and and people have to remember

2092
01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:37,440
when i'm talking about it

2093
01:22:40,629 --> 01:22:39,920
first and foremost i was a woman a young

2094
01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:40,639
woman

2095
01:22:48,629 --> 01:22:45,440
who lost a baby so keep that in mind

2096
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:48,639
you know because that baby

2097
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:52,320
was real that baby was there and

2098
01:22:58,870 --> 01:22:56,159
i have doctor records and

2099
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:58,880
medical you know tests results and

2100
01:23:02,790 --> 01:22:59,760
everything else

2101
01:23:03,189 --> 01:23:02,800
pelvic exam the baby was there and when

2102
01:23:06,229 --> 01:23:03,199
i

2103
01:23:09,669 --> 01:23:06,239
heartbroken

2104
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:09,679
i had you know i will

2105
01:23:13,510 --> 01:23:11,360
i'll tell you what let me let me put it

2106
01:23:16,709 --> 01:23:13,520
this way

2107
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:16,719
after that after i lost that baby

2108
01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:18,960
every month that i had a period i cried

2109
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:20,320
like a baby

2110
01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:23,520
until finally i got pregnant again

2111
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:27,679
all i could think of was having

2112
01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:29,280
all i ever wanted in life was to be a

2113
01:23:35,430 --> 01:23:32,239
mom that was my number one goal in life

2114
01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:35,440
was to be a mother and uh so yeah after

2115
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:36,320
i had that when i

2116
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:38,960
after i lost that first baby i was you

2117
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:40,320
know it was really hard and then they

2118
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:41,280
have to

2119
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:42,639
that's the main reason i don't want to

2120
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:45,280
talk about it i don't even

2121
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:47,280
i could smack myself in the head a

2122
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:48,960
million times over

2123
01:23:52,149 --> 01:23:50,960
forever mentioning it to bud because i

2124
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:52,159
have no idea why

2125
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:54,239
i connected it all and then everything

2126
01:23:59,110 --> 01:23:55,199
started to come in

2127
01:24:02,070 --> 01:23:59,120
so i mean all the you know the memories

2128
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:02,080
the dreams right right well um deb i

2129
01:24:05,030 --> 01:24:02,880
apologize

2130
01:24:06,629 --> 01:24:05,040
uh just before we continue could you

2131
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:06,639
please do me a favor and i think

2132
01:24:09,669 --> 01:24:08,400
if you could turn a bit to your right

2133
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:09,679
then you'll be more centered on my

2134
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:10,800
screen

2135
01:24:14,070 --> 01:24:12,880
there you go yep yeah you were going i

2136
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:14,080
wiggle around a lot

2137
01:24:18,709 --> 01:24:17,360
okay i just figured um that way since

2138
01:24:20,149 --> 01:24:18,719
everyone else is watching they'll have

2139
01:24:23,189 --> 01:24:20,159
you in a better position just a little

2140
01:24:25,270 --> 01:24:23,199
bit more to your right i think

2141
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:25,280
to my right yeah there you go yep thank

2142
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:27,040
you very much perfect you're centered

2143
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:27,679
now

2144
01:24:31,830 --> 01:24:30,560
uh so the next question i have is is

2145
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:31,840
from michael j

2146
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:34,880
schuman uh asks where are all those

2147
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:37,920
hybrids now um are they here to

2148
01:24:44,629 --> 01:24:41,360
be liaisons between us and ets or they

2149
01:24:47,669 --> 01:24:44,639
inhabiting some other planet i

2150
01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:47,679
don't know i honestly

2151
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:53,990
i would love to be able to see that

2152
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:55,760
first pregnancy again that

2153
01:25:00,070 --> 01:24:58,320
that that girl but you know i don't know

2154
01:25:01,430 --> 01:25:00,080
where they are or what they're doing

2155
01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:01,440
yeah that's a good question because

2156
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:04,000
they're still um depends on from

2157
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:06,560
from person to person and who had these

2158
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:07,920
experiences there's

2159
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:09,600
different stories on that but i wish

2160
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:11,520
there was like with everything that

2161
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:13,199
there was a little bit more concrete

2162
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:15,120
information regarding it's like where

2163
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:16,560
are they going are they hanging out with

2164
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:16,960
them

2165
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:20,320
are they doing something else

2166
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:22,560
well she ain't hanging out with me so i

2167
01:25:25,990 --> 01:25:23,840
don't know i don't know where

2168
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:26,000
no i don't i can't i'm sorry i can't

2169
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:27,760
answer that question

2170
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:30,480
i don't have an answer um the other one

2171
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:31,040
is

2172
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:34,159
another one from fabrice asking um have

2173
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:41,910
i'm sorry the spelling on it is kind of

2174
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:42,639
uh

2175
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:45,440
jumbled around have you had dreams your

2176
01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:48,080
child to come off your child to come

2177
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:50,719
was it outwardly fabrice i'm sorry if

2178
01:25:53,189 --> 01:25:51,120
you can

2179
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:53,199
please uh reformat that question one

2180
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:54,880
more time for me then i can

2181
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:56,880
i can ask it it's it's a bit confusing

2182
01:26:00,470 --> 01:25:58,400
i'm not quite sure what what you're

2183
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:00,480
asking

2184
01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:07,990
debbie so the

2185
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:10,639
have i mean was there dude sometimes

2186
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:12,400
speaking of dreams do you sometimes

2187
01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:16,239
do dream of of that girl older

2188
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:19,360
you know and and i mean have there been

2189
01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:21,280
any kind of interactions in in that way

2190
01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:22,000
or was that

2191
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:24,480
basically those instances and then that

2192
01:26:28,950 --> 01:26:26,560
was it

2193
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:28,960
um one time when i lived in the

2194
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:30,239
apartment complex so

2195
01:26:38,870 --> 01:26:35,600
that had to have been oh i don't know

2196
01:26:39,910 --> 01:26:38,880
over 20 years maybe 25 25 for 30 years

2197
01:26:44,629 --> 01:26:39,920
ago

2198
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:46,550
it actually wasn't even a dream this

2199
01:26:51,189 --> 01:26:47,760
actually happened

2200
01:26:53,669 --> 01:26:51,199
i was sitting in my kitchen i'm sorry

2201
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:53,679
and i was drinking a cup of coffee and i

2202
01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:55,679
was sitting in front of patio door

2203
01:26:59,669 --> 01:26:58,400
and there it was a you know it was a

2204
01:27:01,750 --> 01:26:59,679
privacy fence

2205
01:27:02,790 --> 01:27:01,760
around my little tiny backyard in my

2206
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:02,800
apartment

2207
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:05,040
and there were like slats on the privacy

2208
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:06,239
fence

2209
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:08,960
and you could see when people and kids

2210
01:27:11,669 --> 01:27:10,400
would walk by you could see their shoes

2211
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:11,679
you could see them

2212
01:27:15,669 --> 01:27:13,120
through the slats you know because there

2213
01:27:18,229 --> 01:27:15,679
was big gaps and i felt something

2214
01:27:20,229 --> 01:27:18,239
funny and i looked up and there was a

2215
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:20,239
kid

2216
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:21,920
probably the height maybe of a

2217
01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:23,600
nine-year-old

2218
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:26,800
or something uh aged the height

2219
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:29,040
anyway i think it was a kid i thought it

2220
01:27:32,709 --> 01:27:30,000
was a kid

2221
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:32,719
and i could see her looking at me

2222
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:33,760
through the slat

2223
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:37,199
and i saw one eye and it was very blue

2224
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:40,400
big eye and she had lots of white hair

2225
01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:41,520
blonde super white

2226
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:44,080
super blonde hair and she was wearing

2227
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:46,880
all dark clothes dark pants starchers

2228
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:49,600
even dark shoes and i thought what the

2229
01:27:52,709 --> 01:27:51,280
hell is that kid looking at and then i

2230
01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:52,719
thought

2231
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:55,840
something feels weird and you know and

2232
01:27:59,910 --> 01:27:57,600
then i realized

2233
01:28:02,470 --> 01:27:59,920
why is what does that why does that

2234
01:28:04,709 --> 01:28:02,480
child have on all black

2235
01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:04,719
and i stood up and i started to go

2236
01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:06,000
outside

2237
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:09,360
and as i stood up she took off and when

2238
01:28:14,310 --> 01:28:11,040
she took off

2239
01:28:17,189 --> 01:28:14,320
running i ran out the back door

2240
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:17,199
opened up the gate and i ran behind the

2241
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:18,639
alleyway

2242
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:20,960
of grass between the two different

2243
01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:22,400
buildings with our

2244
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:25,199
um privacy fences that butted up against

2245
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:26,800
each other's kind of i mean there was a

2246
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:29,280
there was a walk path

2247
01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:30,800
ran down to the end of the building and

2248
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:32,800
looked both ways there was nobody that

2249
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:33,120
kid

2250
01:28:40,709 --> 01:28:37,199
had to be like flying and and after she

2251
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:40,719
left it dawned on me

2252
01:28:44,709 --> 01:28:42,560
i'd never seen any kid like that in the

2253
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:44,719
neighborhood or around the apartments

2254
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:47,120
and i never saw after that and and

2255
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:49,440
something in my mind thought

2256
01:28:54,709 --> 01:28:52,480
was that her you know

2257
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:54,719
in my mind i don't know who it was i

2258
01:28:58,149 --> 01:28:56,400
don't know if it was her but for some

2259
01:28:58,629 --> 01:28:58,159
reason that came up after all these

2260
01:29:02,390 --> 01:28:58,639
years

2261
01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:02,400
that was the last time that i remembered

2262
01:29:07,189 --> 01:29:05,280
anything or thought about her except

2263
01:29:10,310 --> 01:29:07,199
occasionally i would think about

2264
01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:10,320
she would be uh

2265
01:29:14,229 --> 01:29:12,880
42 years old now she wouldn't be she's

2266
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:14,239
no little girl

2267
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:17,280
she'd be 40 she'd be 43 maybe my my

2268
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:19,600
oldest son is 41.

2269
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:22,320
so she'd be like 40 maybe 43 years old

2270
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:24,000
now so

2271
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:26,159
i'm well you know there's something i'm

2272
01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:28,000
always in the back of my mind i always

2273
01:29:33,189 --> 01:29:29,280
thought

2274
01:29:36,070 --> 01:29:33,199
if she was

2275
01:29:38,229 --> 01:29:36,080
if if that was her if that dream i had

2276
01:29:39,270 --> 01:29:38,239
was really her if that was her that i

2277
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:39,280
saw

2278
01:29:42,470 --> 01:29:41,120
in the apartments that day if that was

2279
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:42,480
her i

2280
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:44,400
hope and pray in the back of my mind

2281
01:29:47,189 --> 01:29:46,080
that there's a little piece of her

2282
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:47,199
inside

2283
01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:50,320
that would want to seek me out and find

2284
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:51,600
me

2285
01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:55,679
eventually you know but that's all i got

2286
01:29:59,510 --> 01:29:58,080
okay thank you for that um another

2287
01:30:01,350 --> 01:29:59,520
question from roland says

2288
01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:01,360
should we fear the extraterrestrials or

2289
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:03,600
not like stephen greer believes we have

2290
01:30:10,310 --> 01:30:07,440
nothing to worry about

2291
01:30:10,709 --> 01:30:10,320
uh you know what again that's i i don't

2292
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:10,719
know

2293
01:30:17,990 --> 01:30:14,960
i i can tell you my experience

2294
01:30:18,390 --> 01:30:18,000
and from my perspective whatever i've

2295
01:30:21,669 --> 01:30:18,400
had

2296
01:30:25,270 --> 01:30:21,679
contact with you know um

2297
01:30:28,950 --> 01:30:25,280
if it had wanted to destroy me

2298
01:30:31,669 --> 01:30:28,960
it could have easily years ago

2299
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:31,679
and so and i and like i said i always

2300
01:30:36,870 --> 01:30:33,600
felt like there wasn't any

2301
01:30:40,149 --> 01:30:36,880
intentional harm done to me whatever

2302
01:30:43,910 --> 01:30:40,159
suffering or pain or fear i had

2303
01:30:46,149 --> 01:30:43,920
was unintentional but uh

2304
01:30:47,510 --> 01:30:46,159
that's just my experience i don't know

2305
01:30:48,790 --> 01:30:47,520
what's out there and like i've said

2306
01:30:51,189 --> 01:30:48,800
before

2307
01:30:52,790 --> 01:30:51,199
i think that there's probably as many

2308
01:30:56,870 --> 01:30:52,800
life forms

2309
01:30:59,270 --> 01:30:56,880
out there and around us

2310
01:31:00,550 --> 01:30:59,280
as there are humans on this planet as

2311
01:31:03,669 --> 01:31:00,560
well as

2312
01:31:05,110 --> 01:31:03,679
look how many agendas there are within

2313
01:31:08,709 --> 01:31:05,120
humanity

2314
01:31:11,350 --> 01:31:08,719
you know what i mean every group every

2315
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:11,360
society has its agenda every religion

2316
01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:13,760
has its agent you know what i mean

2317
01:31:16,950 --> 01:31:16,400
there might be some out there that might

2318
01:31:18,870 --> 01:31:16,960
not be

2319
01:31:21,030 --> 01:31:18,880
so nice and might not really

2320
01:31:23,669 --> 01:31:21,040
particularly care for humans very much

2321
01:31:25,189 --> 01:31:23,679
i don't know i for my i can only speak

2322
01:31:26,310 --> 01:31:25,199
from my own experience and my own

2323
01:31:29,350 --> 01:31:26,320
perspective in that

2324
01:31:32,709 --> 01:31:29,360
i'm not afraid

2325
01:31:37,189 --> 01:31:35,590
um sorry i was just uh trying to to

2326
01:31:38,070 --> 01:31:37,199
write back there were some statements

2327
01:31:39,910 --> 01:31:38,080
that were made

2328
01:31:41,270 --> 01:31:39,920
but i would i was just going to write it

2329
01:31:44,790 --> 01:31:41,280
out if they could um

2330
01:31:47,830 --> 01:31:44,800
ask a question instead but um

2331
01:31:49,350 --> 01:31:47,840
yeah anyway so uh debbie what do you

2332
01:31:49,750 --> 01:31:49,360
what do you feel like do would you like

2333
01:31:51,910 --> 01:31:49,760
to

2334
01:31:53,430 --> 01:31:51,920
go on some more or or do you think this

2335
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:53,440
is this has been a good time

2336
01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:55,520
because i i think it's it's been great

2337
01:31:59,030 --> 01:31:57,199
so far and thank you so much for sharing

2338
01:32:03,030 --> 01:31:59,040
for everything that you did

2339
01:32:04,709 --> 01:32:03,040
well you know it's i'm good it um

2340
01:32:06,149 --> 01:32:04,719
well it's up to you yeah let's uh let's

2341
01:32:07,750 --> 01:32:06,159
go a little longer

2342
01:32:09,189 --> 01:32:07,760
see if any more questions come through

2343
01:32:14,950 --> 01:32:09,199
and because i have some

2344
01:32:18,790 --> 01:32:17,189
i told you i love questions because i

2345
01:32:19,830 --> 01:32:18,800
mean i may not have the answers to

2346
01:32:22,229 --> 01:32:19,840
everything

2347
01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:22,239
i'll do the best i can but questions for

2348
01:32:25,990 --> 01:32:23,440
me are like little

2349
01:32:28,629 --> 01:32:26,000
little those little bumpers rails that

2350
01:32:31,750 --> 01:32:28,639
you pop up when you take a kid bowling

2351
01:32:33,430 --> 01:32:31,760
i've got 62 years worth of stuff up here

2352
01:32:36,390 --> 01:32:33,440
in this little head of mine

2353
01:32:38,149 --> 01:32:36,400
and sometimes i sound like squirrel

2354
01:32:40,790 --> 01:32:38,159
squirrel squirrel you know

2355
01:32:41,430 --> 01:32:40,800
cause and i get off track so questions

2356
01:32:43,270 --> 01:32:41,440
are great

2357
01:32:44,790 --> 01:32:43,280
because they keep me focused on one

2358
01:32:47,510 --> 01:32:44,800
particular thing okay

2359
01:32:48,790 --> 01:32:47,520
so so i like questions well one

2360
01:32:51,030 --> 01:32:48,800
particular one was

2361
01:32:52,950 --> 01:32:51,040
um i'm i'm assuming you got to know

2362
01:32:53,590 --> 01:32:52,960
about hopkins very well especially if

2363
01:32:57,990 --> 01:32:53,600
you have to

2364
01:33:00,070 --> 01:32:58,000
work that closely with them and um so

2365
01:33:01,830 --> 01:33:00,080
obviously whatever he wrote about is

2366
01:33:03,750 --> 01:33:01,840
what's on his mind and what

2367
01:33:06,149 --> 01:33:03,760
i would assume he was passionate about

2368
01:33:08,550 --> 01:33:06,159
but do you know anything maybe more on

2369
01:33:12,310 --> 01:33:08,560
insights about hopkins uh what

2370
01:33:14,629 --> 01:33:12,320
what was his um i guess if i can say his

2371
01:33:15,990 --> 01:33:14,639
his dying thoughts regarding the subject

2372
01:33:17,669 --> 01:33:16,000
you know something that

2373
01:33:19,189 --> 01:33:17,679
was there anything that he didn't share

2374
01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:19,199
with the public that he

2375
01:33:22,629 --> 01:33:21,760
uh you know had different different

2376
01:33:26,870 --> 01:33:22,639
thoughts on in

2377
01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:26,880
in private well

2378
01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:30,239
you know i i almost looked on him as a

2379
01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:32,400
father figure i was young when i met him

2380
01:33:36,790 --> 01:33:32,880
like

2381
01:33:38,950 --> 01:33:36,800
just 23 i think and uh

2382
01:33:41,350 --> 01:33:38,960
he and his wife at the time and his or

2383
01:33:44,870 --> 01:33:41,360
his family like really took me in

2384
01:33:47,270 --> 01:33:44,880
uh under their wing and and even

2385
01:33:47,910 --> 01:33:47,280
and my whole family my whole family

2386
01:33:51,189 --> 01:33:47,920
loved him

2387
01:33:53,270 --> 01:33:51,199
and um

2388
01:33:55,510 --> 01:33:53,280
he was a very compassionate and caring

2389
01:33:57,910 --> 01:33:55,520
person and everything he did

2390
01:34:00,310 --> 01:33:57,920
everything that he did to help somebody

2391
01:34:03,669 --> 01:34:00,320
was i mean or try to help somebody was

2392
01:34:06,950 --> 01:34:03,679
it came from a place of care and concern

2393
01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:06,960
and empathy you know i always had to

2394
01:34:11,270 --> 01:34:09,120
remind myself that

2395
01:34:13,590 --> 01:34:11,280
uh he might have tended to be a little

2396
01:34:16,709 --> 01:34:13,600
more negative about some things

2397
01:34:17,990 --> 01:34:16,719
but this man was working in the

2398
01:34:19,830 --> 01:34:18,000
emergency room of the

2399
01:34:21,910 --> 01:34:19,840
entire phenomenon right off in the

2400
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:21,920
beginning and the people that he were

2401
01:34:25,350 --> 01:34:24,480
he was meeting and seeing or coming to

2402
01:34:27,990 --> 01:34:25,360
him were

2403
01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:28,000
hot messes like me i was practically

2404
01:34:30,149 --> 01:34:28,639
unfun

2405
01:34:32,070 --> 01:34:30,159
i practically couldn't even function in

2406
01:34:35,189 --> 01:34:32,080
life so i mean

2407
01:34:36,149 --> 01:34:35,199
i feel like that kind of probably helped

2408
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:36,159
to

2409
01:34:40,390 --> 01:34:39,040
mold some of his you know at least

2410
01:34:41,830 --> 01:34:40,400
initial feelings about the whole

2411
01:34:44,310 --> 01:34:41,840
phenomenon you know and

2412
01:34:45,350 --> 01:34:44,320
and have maybe a little bit more of a

2413
01:34:49,270 --> 01:34:45,360
negative

2414
01:34:52,709 --> 01:34:49,280
look upon it than i would say now but um

2415
01:34:56,310 --> 01:34:52,719
overall i think he was he was a master

2416
01:34:57,590 --> 01:34:56,320
at telling a story he could mesmerize an

2417
01:34:59,910 --> 01:34:57,600
entire room

2418
01:35:01,109 --> 01:34:59,920
um he had a million of them because he

2419
01:35:03,669 --> 01:35:01,119
met so many people

2420
01:35:04,550 --> 01:35:03,679
in his life he was a fantastic artist

2421
01:35:06,550 --> 01:35:04,560
his art

2422
01:35:08,229 --> 01:35:06,560
was you know i think it was in the

2423
01:35:10,790 --> 01:35:08,239
guggenheim museum

2424
01:35:11,510 --> 01:35:10,800
i'm fortunate enough to have a couple of

2425
01:35:13,910 --> 01:35:11,520
his

2426
01:35:15,750 --> 01:35:13,920
pieces that i cherish and i was so

2427
01:35:17,270 --> 01:35:15,760
grateful when the tornado came

2428
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:17,280
it's like all the stuff that meant

2429
01:35:20,790 --> 01:35:18,960
something to me i could find in the

2430
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:20,800
rubble everything else was wrecked

2431
01:35:27,270 --> 01:35:23,920
but this good stuff was salvaged

2432
01:35:30,870 --> 01:35:27,280
um and he was um

2433
01:35:32,229 --> 01:35:30,880
um he was very intelligent he was very

2434
01:35:35,430 --> 01:35:32,239
well spoken

2435
01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:35,440
uh he he reached out to professionals

2436
01:35:39,270 --> 01:35:35,760
for

2437
01:35:40,470 --> 01:35:39,280
help uh like he reached out to dr clamar

2438
01:35:43,669 --> 01:35:40,480
he got her to help

2439
01:35:45,830 --> 01:35:43,679
with me and other people um he had other

2440
01:35:46,709 --> 01:35:45,840
um psychologists that he could refer

2441
01:35:48,950 --> 01:35:46,719
people to

2442
01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:48,960
i mean he he's he's the one that uh he

2443
01:35:54,470 --> 01:35:50,800
spent his own money

2444
01:35:56,790 --> 01:35:54,480
on me for several years getting me

2445
01:35:59,270 --> 01:35:56,800
tests i like i remember one time going

2446
01:36:03,109 --> 01:35:59,280
to new york and i had to have a

2447
01:36:06,070 --> 01:36:03,119
they did an eeg of my brain electrowave

2448
01:36:06,390 --> 01:36:06,080
of my brain and i did a cat scan with a

2449
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:06,400
die

2450
01:36:09,990 --> 01:36:08,880
contrast i had to sign a waiver all of

2451
01:36:13,510 --> 01:36:10,000
this was paid for by

2452
01:36:14,149 --> 01:36:13,520
donations i don't know who donated the

2453
01:36:16,790 --> 01:36:14,159
money or

2454
01:36:17,430 --> 01:36:16,800
the facilities uh but to do for the

2455
01:36:20,550 --> 01:36:17,440
research

2456
01:36:21,990 --> 01:36:20,560
you know i had a a a voice stress test

2457
01:36:23,350 --> 01:36:22,000
which is kind of like a lie detector

2458
01:36:26,709 --> 01:36:23,360
test

2459
01:36:29,189 --> 01:36:26,719
and i had uh psychological and

2460
01:36:30,790 --> 01:36:29,199
written and verbal psychological testing

2461
01:36:32,709 --> 01:36:30,800
at which point i did tell one of the

2462
01:36:34,149 --> 01:36:32,719
doctors it's okay if i'm crazy you know

2463
01:36:36,149 --> 01:36:34,159
you can tell me that because they make

2464
01:36:37,990 --> 01:36:36,159
pills for that and i'm okay with that

2465
01:36:40,149 --> 01:36:38,000
because this this stuff was just way too

2466
01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:40,159
much you know at that point i was still

2467
01:36:44,070 --> 01:36:40,960
very delicate

2468
01:36:47,430 --> 01:36:44,080
i remember the the going to new york

2469
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:47,440
for the very first time i had to sell

2470
01:36:50,550 --> 01:36:49,600
i had to sell my washer and dryer that i

2471
01:36:53,350 --> 01:36:50,560
had in storage

2472
01:36:55,990 --> 01:36:53,360
to get enough money for a bus ticket and

2473
01:36:58,709 --> 01:36:56,000
i took a bus to new york 17 hours good

2474
01:37:02,709 --> 01:36:58,719
god what a horrible long trip that was

2475
01:37:05,189 --> 01:37:02,719
but halfway through the trip

2476
01:37:06,470 --> 01:37:05,199
to new york i had this massive panic

2477
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:06,480
attack and i thought what the hell is

2478
01:37:09,669 --> 01:37:07,360
wrong with you

2479
01:37:11,109 --> 01:37:09,679
you are a mother and you are on a bus to

2480
01:37:14,390 --> 01:37:11,119
new york city

2481
01:37:15,910 --> 01:37:14,400
uh and you're about to meet this man

2482
01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:15,920
that wrote this book about all this

2483
01:37:20,070 --> 01:37:16,880
crazy

2484
01:37:21,669 --> 01:37:20,080
stuff and he could be an ax murderer

2485
01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:21,679
what is wrong with you and i wanted to

2486
01:37:26,470 --> 01:37:23,440
stop the bus and jump off

2487
01:37:27,669 --> 01:37:26,480
and walk home but i calmed down and you

2488
01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:27,679
know

2489
01:37:32,310 --> 01:37:30,000
bud was so kind when he picked me up at

2490
01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:32,320
the bus station

2491
01:37:39,270 --> 01:37:36,000
and he he could see i was frazzled and

2492
01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:39,280
very anxious and he calmed me down

2493
01:37:43,510 --> 01:37:42,320
and uh who was so kind then my first

2494
01:37:45,189 --> 01:37:43,520
subway trip

2495
01:37:46,870 --> 01:37:45,199
first ride on a subway and we're on the

2496
01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:46,880
subway and i'm still like one

2497
01:37:50,950 --> 01:37:48,880
step away from having another panic

2498
01:37:53,430 --> 01:37:50,960
attack and all the lights go out

2499
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:53,440
so i freak out again you know he's like

2500
01:37:56,790 --> 01:37:54,960
he pats me on the leg and he goes it's

2501
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:56,800
okay it's okay this is normal

2502
01:38:02,870 --> 01:38:00,400
this is normal i'm like you know but uh

2503
01:38:03,750 --> 01:38:02,880
i mean he was just he that's the way he

2504
01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:03,760
was he was

2505
01:38:07,669 --> 01:38:05,840
he cared about me and he cared about all

2506
01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:07,679
the people that he tried to help

2507
01:38:13,430 --> 01:38:11,040
and um even when i

2508
01:38:15,270 --> 01:38:13,440
wrote my first book with my sister and

2509
01:38:17,109 --> 01:38:15,280
i'm pretty sure

2510
01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:17,119
there's a few things in there that i

2511
01:38:22,390 --> 01:38:19,360
shared you know that he probably

2512
01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:22,400
thought was kind of bullshitty but i

2513
01:38:25,910 --> 01:38:22,960
mean

2514
01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:25,920
he was kind like a father and encouraged

2515
01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:28,080
me to express myself and

2516
01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:30,400
and do what i needed to do for me and he

2517
01:38:35,189 --> 01:38:32,080
was just so

2518
01:38:35,510 --> 01:38:35,199
you know i felt i feel blessed because i

2519
01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:35,520
was

2520
01:38:43,350 --> 01:38:41,840
people of his in his research early in

2521
01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:43,360
the beginning

2522
01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:45,520
as the years passed and he got more

2523
01:38:51,430 --> 01:38:47,840
famous for what he did and was more

2524
01:38:53,830 --> 01:38:51,440
well known he was absolutely swamped

2525
01:38:55,189 --> 01:38:53,840
flooded with people coming at him from

2526
01:38:57,350 --> 01:38:55,199
all directions

2527
01:38:58,709 --> 01:38:57,360
all the time and you know he was just

2528
01:39:02,229 --> 01:38:58,719
one man

2529
01:39:02,950 --> 01:39:02,239
and so uh i didn't get to see or talk to

2530
01:39:04,709 --> 01:39:02,960
him as much

2531
01:39:07,189 --> 01:39:04,719
as i would have liked as the years

2532
01:39:09,910 --> 01:39:07,199
progressed when he got cancer

2533
01:39:11,669 --> 01:39:09,920
of the kidney he called me he wanted me

2534
01:39:12,870 --> 01:39:11,679
to hear it from him before i saw it

2535
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:12,880
somewhere else

2536
01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:14,560
and he told me about it and how it was

2537
01:39:19,270 --> 01:39:16,480
going to go and he did well with it

2538
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:19,280
when he got lymphoma he called me and he

2539
01:39:23,350 --> 01:39:21,360
told me he wanted me to hear it from him

2540
01:39:24,870 --> 01:39:23,360
and not anybody else and he talked to me

2541
01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:24,880
about it for a long time because he knew

2542
01:39:29,350 --> 01:39:26,000
i'd be upset

2543
01:39:30,870 --> 01:39:29,360
when he wrote his final book art aliens

2544
01:39:32,790 --> 01:39:30,880
or well i can't remember what

2545
01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:32,800
i'm so i feel like an idiot i can't

2546
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:34,400
remember the name of the last book he

2547
01:39:38,870 --> 01:39:35,440
wrote but it was about

2548
01:39:40,550 --> 01:39:38,880
art and aliens it was like his memoir

2549
01:39:42,070 --> 01:39:40,560
the last thing he did before he passed

2550
01:39:43,910 --> 01:39:42,080
away

2551
01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:43,920
i opened a package up i got in the mail

2552
01:39:47,270 --> 01:39:45,840
one day and it was that book

2553
01:39:48,870 --> 01:39:47,280
and i'm like i didn't even realize he

2554
01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:48,880
was working on this

2555
01:39:52,229 --> 01:39:50,400
and i pulled the book out a beautiful

2556
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:52,239
cover i opened it up and it was

2557
01:39:53,990 --> 01:39:53,520
inscribed to me but there was an

2558
01:39:56,550 --> 01:39:54,000
envelope

2559
01:39:57,910 --> 01:39:56,560
inside the book and inside the book the

2560
01:39:59,189 --> 01:39:57,920
envelope was a letter that he had

2561
01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:59,199
written to me

2562
01:40:03,350 --> 01:40:00,960
and it was basically him telling me that

2563
01:40:06,390 --> 01:40:03,360
he knew he was about to die

2564
01:40:07,350 --> 01:40:06,400
and he wanted me you know to know how he

2565
01:40:09,430 --> 01:40:07,360
felt about me

2566
01:40:11,109 --> 01:40:09,440
and what we went through the life that

2567
01:40:12,790 --> 01:40:11,119
we had gone through together this

2568
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:12,800
journey that we'd been on together

2569
01:40:16,310 --> 01:40:15,520
what it meant to him and and how you

2570
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:16,320
know i mean it was just

2571
01:40:19,590 --> 01:40:17,760
it was full of some really wonderful

2572
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:19,600
things that um

2573
01:40:24,149 --> 01:40:22,080
i will cherish for the rest of my life

2574
01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:24,159
that's a very touching story

2575
01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:25,760
you know he was that's the kind of man

2576
01:40:30,070 --> 01:40:27,520
he was he was just that way when

2577
01:40:31,669 --> 01:40:30,080
when i got news i think peter robbins is

2578
01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:31,679
actually the one who told me that he had

2579
01:40:36,310 --> 01:40:33,280
passed away and contacted me

2580
01:40:37,510 --> 01:40:36,320
i was devastated i probably cried as

2581
01:40:39,669 --> 01:40:37,520
much when he died

2582
01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:39,679
as i did when my parents died that's how

2583
01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:40,960
much it hurt

2584
01:40:44,229 --> 01:40:42,719
because that was how much of a part of

2585
01:40:47,270 --> 01:40:44,239
my life he had become

2586
01:40:49,350 --> 01:40:47,280
i and i had you know i

2587
01:40:51,270 --> 01:40:49,360
actually attributed my life to him in

2588
01:40:52,870 --> 01:40:51,280
some ways i

2589
01:40:54,790 --> 01:40:52,880
may i definitely wouldn't have had the

2590
01:40:57,109 --> 01:40:54,800
life i had now i don't even know if i'd

2591
01:41:00,709 --> 01:40:57,119
be here now if it weren't for him

2592
01:41:02,070 --> 01:41:00,719
but um you know i can only speak about

2593
01:41:05,750 --> 01:41:02,080
my experience with him

2594
01:41:07,990 --> 01:41:05,760
i know he always he treated me

2595
01:41:09,510 --> 01:41:08,000
with kid gloves i mean he he treated me

2596
01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:09,520
well he was kind to me

2597
01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:11,760
he didn't he never put me in jeopardy in

2598
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:13,040
any way and

2599
01:41:16,550 --> 01:41:14,560
you know i was always grateful to him

2600
01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:16,560
for for his help

2601
01:41:23,270 --> 01:41:20,480
you know i know that uh

2602
01:41:24,629 --> 01:41:23,280
i did i'll tell you this dream i i know

2603
01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:24,639
he he

2604
01:41:28,950 --> 01:41:27,760
he really wasn't uh keen on like the

2605
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:28,960
afterlife

2606
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:32,800
much but uh and i would always say no

2607
01:41:36,550 --> 01:41:34,719
no i think there's more i think there's

2608
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:36,560
more to it you know i think we

2609
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:40,320
we go on after our bodies die um

2610
01:41:46,070 --> 01:41:43,760
not too terribly long ago as a matter of

2611
01:41:49,510 --> 01:41:46,080
fact it was like right after i finished

2612
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:49,520
this book i had a dream about him

2613
01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:51,119
and it was one of those vivid dreams

2614
01:41:57,030 --> 01:41:54,000
like i have right before i wake up

2615
01:41:59,990 --> 01:41:57,040
and it was short and he's

2616
01:42:01,990 --> 01:42:00,000
we're sitting somewhere at a table and i

2617
01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:02,000
sit down i'm like bud is that you

2618
01:42:09,030 --> 01:42:05,280
he looked fabulous he looked young and

2619
01:42:12,550 --> 01:42:09,040
tan and happy and glowing

2620
01:42:13,350 --> 01:42:12,560
and he was wearing a hawaiian shirt and

2621
01:42:16,870 --> 01:42:13,360
if you knew

2622
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:16,880
bud you knew you would never in this

2623
01:42:21,030 --> 01:42:18,000
life see bud

2624
01:42:23,430 --> 01:42:21,040
wearing a hawaiian shirt okay so

2625
01:42:24,870 --> 01:42:23,440
i have come to realize that when i do

2626
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:24,880
have some dreams like this

2627
01:42:28,950 --> 01:42:27,119
some of that stuff is symbolic for other

2628
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:28,960
things

2629
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:31,360
so i'm you know i'm looking at him and

2630
01:42:34,390 --> 01:42:32,960
he's smiling and he's shaking his head

2631
01:42:37,510 --> 01:42:34,400
but he's not really saying anything

2632
01:42:38,390 --> 01:42:37,520
and uh you know i'm like i finished this

2633
01:42:40,830 --> 01:42:38,400
book

2634
01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:40,840
finally did it i finally did it you know

2635
01:42:44,550 --> 01:42:42,400
and all

2636
01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:44,560
right at the very end of the dream he he

2637
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:46,800
just looked at me and he said

2638
01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:50,239
i'm proud of you kid he's to call me kid

2639
01:42:53,750 --> 01:42:52,560
he said he just said i'm proud of you

2640
01:42:55,910 --> 01:42:53,760
kid you know

2641
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:55,920
i had said to him i said is it like i

2642
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:57,280
said that it was

2643
01:43:01,430 --> 01:42:59,360
you know what's it like to be dead do

2644
01:43:03,990 --> 01:43:01,440
you is it like i said

2645
01:43:05,030 --> 01:43:04,000
and he never said yay or nay he just

2646
01:43:06,790 --> 01:43:05,040
smiled at me

2647
01:43:08,310 --> 01:43:06,800
and his head was bobbing but he was

2648
01:43:10,629 --> 01:43:08,320
smiling and that's

2649
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:10,639
later i think that that hawaiian shirt

2650
01:43:14,470 --> 01:43:12,000
was symbolic

2651
01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:14,480
but he was telling me that he was

2652
01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:16,400
paradise

2653
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:19,440
because but he never

2654
01:43:23,430 --> 01:43:21,520
answered my questions he just smiled at

2655
01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:23,440
me and and nodded

2656
01:43:27,910 --> 01:43:26,639
but um the way he used to do but yeah

2657
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:27,920
the only thing he said to me was i'm

2658
01:43:31,830 --> 01:43:30,239
proud of you kid and then bam i woke up

2659
01:43:33,669 --> 01:43:31,840
but i also woke up

2660
01:43:35,669 --> 01:43:33,679
feeling like that message was not just

2661
01:43:37,350 --> 01:43:35,679
meant for me it was meant for somebody

2662
01:43:40,229 --> 01:43:37,360
else that he and i both knew

2663
01:43:42,229 --> 01:43:40,239
and so i contacted her and i passed that

2664
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:42,239
on to her and she was

2665
01:43:46,629 --> 01:43:43,760
she's like i have no doubt that that was

2666
01:43:49,590 --> 01:43:46,639
him but yeah that and so that was really

2667
01:43:50,229 --> 01:43:49,600
an uh that was a gift to me that little

2668
01:43:54,550 --> 01:43:50,239
dream

2669
01:43:56,070 --> 01:43:54,560
whatever it was that little meeting um

2670
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:56,080
that's the only time in my life i ever

2671
01:44:01,750 --> 01:43:57,760
dreamed of him

2672
01:44:03,030 --> 01:44:01,760
right right like 15 years after he's

2673
01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:03,040
passed away and all of a sudden i have a

2674
01:44:07,830 --> 01:44:04,960
dream and there he is so

2675
01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:07,840
it was weird but but yeah he he was a

2676
01:44:12,550 --> 01:44:09,520
one of a kind

2677
01:44:16,310 --> 01:44:12,560
the when he passed away

2678
01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:16,320
ufology lost a big one you know

2679
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:18,960
right so well um thank you for saying

2680
01:44:22,870 --> 01:44:20,400
that debbie uh

2681
01:44:24,550 --> 01:44:22,880
there's uh there's several questions now

2682
01:44:26,229 --> 01:44:24,560
i hope i can get through some of them

2683
01:44:27,270 --> 01:44:26,239
but if we can't that's all right uh one

2684
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:27,280
is from

2685
01:44:31,270 --> 01:44:30,480
um helio this the sosa junior saying uh

2686
01:44:33,830 --> 01:44:31,280
ms kabul

2687
01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:33,840
in any of your experiences with grace

2688
01:44:38,070 --> 01:44:35,360
have you seen any kind of

2689
01:44:39,510 --> 01:44:38,080
weird animal or something like that

2690
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:39,520
things

2691
01:44:45,430 --> 01:44:42,719
maybe he means like some other form of a

2692
01:44:48,870 --> 01:44:45,440
being other than the grace

2693
01:44:52,229 --> 01:44:48,880
right i'm trying to think

2694
01:44:54,229 --> 01:44:52,239
uh it's not i i don't think so

2695
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:54,239
right off the top of my head but that

2696
01:44:56,310 --> 01:44:55,840
doesn't mean i won't remember something

2697
01:44:59,270 --> 01:44:56,320
later

2698
01:45:03,430 --> 01:44:59,280
i do know that uh one at one point i was

2699
01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:03,440
in a place where i thought uh

2700
01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:06,000
i thought it was an animal it was

2701
01:45:10,149 --> 01:45:07,920
actually like on a tv screen and it was

2702
01:45:11,669 --> 01:45:10,159
dots and lines and it was in like 3d and

2703
01:45:13,430 --> 01:45:11,679
it was moving and at first i thought it

2704
01:45:15,189 --> 01:45:13,440
was alive like an animal but then i

2705
01:45:17,109 --> 01:45:15,199
realized it wasn't

2706
01:45:19,590 --> 01:45:17,119
so i don't guess that counts i'm trying

2707
01:45:22,470 --> 01:45:19,600
to think

2708
01:45:25,030 --> 01:45:22,480
i i can't think of anything right off

2709
01:45:27,910 --> 01:45:25,040
the top of my head right now

2710
01:45:31,350 --> 01:45:27,920
okay so uh the other the other question

2711
01:45:33,669 --> 01:45:31,360
is from lost my spot ah there it is

2712
01:45:35,270 --> 01:45:33,679
it's from michael again um asking did

2713
01:45:39,270 --> 01:45:35,280
you ever meet or talk to

2714
01:45:42,310 --> 01:45:39,280
dr john mack during his research

2715
01:45:44,310 --> 01:45:42,320
i met him a couple of times briefly

2716
01:45:45,990 --> 01:45:44,320
at a conference and there's a couple

2717
01:45:48,550 --> 01:45:46,000
pictures of me with him

2718
01:45:49,030 --> 01:45:48,560
but i never really got to talk to him at

2719
01:45:52,950 --> 01:45:49,040
length

2720
01:45:53,669 --> 01:45:52,960
and i was so uh upset when i found out

2721
01:45:59,030 --> 01:45:53,679
he

2722
01:46:02,310 --> 01:45:59,040
world

2723
01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:02,320
sad for him his family and uh sad for

2724
01:46:05,590 --> 01:46:04,080
myself because i really wanted to talk

2725
01:46:06,390 --> 01:46:05,600
to him more and get to know more about

2726
01:46:12,310 --> 01:46:06,400
him

2727
01:46:13,910 --> 01:46:12,320
but i just never had the opportunity you

2728
01:46:14,709 --> 01:46:13,920
know i'm in the middle of nowhere out

2729
01:46:18,470 --> 01:46:14,719
here in

2730
01:46:18,790 --> 01:46:18,480
the midwest and you know i'm never i'm

2731
01:46:22,149 --> 01:46:18,800
not

2732
01:46:25,270 --> 01:46:22,159
i've never been out in

2733
01:46:27,830 --> 01:46:25,280
you know there could be years go by when

2734
01:46:30,070 --> 01:46:27,840
i don't speak about anything like this

2735
01:46:31,510 --> 01:46:30,080
you know because i mean i'm right here

2736
01:46:33,030 --> 01:46:31,520
in in where i live

2737
01:46:35,030 --> 01:46:33,040
there isn't anything around me or

2738
01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:35,040
anybody around me so yeah i was really

2739
01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:36,400
disappointed that i didn't get to meet

2740
01:46:41,750 --> 01:46:38,080
him

2741
01:46:44,950 --> 01:46:41,760
he was pretty cool

2742
01:46:47,669 --> 01:46:44,960
okay uh the next one is from

2743
01:46:49,910 --> 01:46:47,679
uh uh this one is from roland do you

2744
01:46:52,629 --> 01:46:49,920
know about zechariah stitching

2745
01:46:54,550 --> 01:46:52,639
if so do you agree with how he explained

2746
01:46:58,390 --> 01:46:54,560
the origins of humanity's

2747
01:47:01,109 --> 01:46:58,400
beginning isn't he the um

2748
01:47:02,950 --> 01:47:01,119
uh ancient alien guy the ancient alien

2749
01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:02,960
theory

2750
01:47:07,270 --> 01:47:05,360
i think he's the the guy that that's

2751
01:47:09,990 --> 01:47:07,280
based on because he was the one that

2752
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:10,000
originally i believe uh uh was one of

2753
01:47:13,030 --> 01:47:11,600
the few people that could translate

2754
01:47:14,950 --> 01:47:13,040
sumerian tablets

2755
01:47:16,470 --> 01:47:14,960
and did he write chariot of the gods no

2756
01:47:18,950 --> 01:47:16,480
is that him no that was um

2757
01:47:19,830 --> 01:47:18,960
that's fun that was from danican this

2758
01:47:22,229 --> 01:47:19,840
one uh

2759
01:47:24,229 --> 01:47:22,239
this one is basically wrote he basically

2760
01:47:26,149 --> 01:47:24,239
was translating his tablets that claimed

2761
01:47:26,870 --> 01:47:26,159
that there was a alien race that came

2762
01:47:30,229 --> 01:47:26,880
here

2763
01:47:32,950 --> 01:47:30,239
that were using or altering

2764
01:47:34,950 --> 01:47:32,960
i believe altering the existing species

2765
01:47:37,990 --> 01:47:34,960
genetically with theirs so they can

2766
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:38,000
work and mine gold and i think that

2767
01:47:41,990 --> 01:47:40,960
yeah i think that um that's basically

2768
01:47:44,550 --> 01:47:42,000
yeah the whole ancient

2769
01:47:46,950 --> 01:47:44,560
like they've been here in our past yeah

2770
01:47:49,990 --> 01:47:46,960
i feel that that's very possible and

2771
01:47:53,189 --> 01:47:50,000
probable actually i mean yeah

2772
01:47:53,990 --> 01:47:53,199
i believe that i think we've done this a

2773
01:47:57,669 --> 01:47:54,000
few times

2774
01:48:00,550 --> 01:47:57,679
this this thing here called you know our

2775
01:48:02,629 --> 01:48:00,560
society i feel like you know i don't

2776
01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:02,639
think that our history that we have that

2777
01:48:06,550 --> 01:48:03,440
we teach

2778
01:48:07,590 --> 01:48:06,560
our youngans is really as accurate as we

2779
01:48:10,470 --> 01:48:07,600
think that it is

2780
01:48:11,990 --> 01:48:10,480
right well really you know there is uh

2781
01:48:14,070 --> 01:48:12,000
um i think there's a

2782
01:48:16,790 --> 01:48:14,080
forgotten name now it's a very thick

2783
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:16,800
history historic book and it's all the

2784
01:48:22,790 --> 01:48:19,840
historic anomalies that basically

2785
01:48:24,390 --> 01:48:22,800
nobody wants to touch or talk about if

2786
01:48:25,030 --> 01:48:24,400
the forbidden history or something like

2787
01:48:26,709 --> 01:48:25,040
that

2788
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:26,719
forbidden archaeology i don't know what

2789
01:48:30,790 --> 01:48:29,280
it was called um

2790
01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:30,800
i shouldn't have even said anything i

2791
01:48:34,149 --> 01:48:32,560
wish i would knew more influence i can

2792
01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:34,159
actually give something to someone to

2793
01:48:36,870 --> 01:48:35,119
look up

2794
01:48:38,229 --> 01:48:36,880
maybe if i look it up later i'll

2795
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:38,239
remember but

2796
01:48:45,030 --> 01:48:41,280
yeah i believe that um i'm i tend to

2797
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:47,830
it makes sense really i mean think about

2798
01:48:52,149 --> 01:48:49,040
it

2799
01:48:55,430 --> 01:48:52,159
right uh there's

2800
01:48:58,950 --> 01:48:55,440
oh yeah there's one from uh fabrices

2801
01:49:01,189 --> 01:48:58,960
saying um did you ever witness a medical

2802
01:49:06,629 --> 01:49:01,199
procedure aboard a ship when a

2803
01:49:06,639 --> 01:49:09,750
does that make sense

2804
01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:13,189
i had i had a medical i didn't i don't

2805
01:49:17,189 --> 01:49:13,520
know

2806
01:49:25,910 --> 01:49:17,199
if i you call it witnessing i remember

2807
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:31,350
actually twice uh once when um

2808
01:49:36,790 --> 01:49:34,229
i remember i told you the story about my

2809
01:49:38,870 --> 01:49:36,800
girlfriend and me and the other girl and

2810
01:49:40,149 --> 01:49:38,880
she saw the light it land and i didn't

2811
01:49:41,510 --> 01:49:40,159
remember it and it dragged me out of the

2812
01:49:45,270 --> 01:49:41,520
car by my legs

2813
01:49:47,589 --> 01:49:45,280
i in that in that time um

2814
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:47,599
eventually i started having dreams about

2815
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:48,960
uh what look

2816
01:49:52,709 --> 01:49:51,360
what felt like a medical procedure had

2817
01:49:55,990 --> 01:49:52,719
to do with my

2818
01:49:58,950 --> 01:49:56,000
reproductive organs um

2819
01:49:59,910 --> 01:49:58,960
that was actually quite painful and then

2820
01:50:02,709 --> 01:49:59,920
uh

2821
01:50:03,910 --> 01:50:02,719
do you understand what i mean other than

2822
01:50:05,430 --> 01:50:03,920
do you understand

2823
01:50:07,589 --> 01:50:05,440
why they were doing that it was just

2824
01:50:09,910 --> 01:50:07,599
again for another

2825
01:50:11,350 --> 01:50:09,920
good i did not know what was going on i

2826
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:11,360
didn't know what was happening i didn't

2827
01:50:15,510 --> 01:50:12,560
know why it was happening

2828
01:50:19,510 --> 01:50:15,520
uh no i did not know okay and then again

2829
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:22,390
another medical procedure of some kind

2830
01:50:26,070 --> 01:50:24,000
that was very painful that also had to

2831
01:50:29,350 --> 01:50:26,080
do with my reproductive organs

2832
01:50:32,629 --> 01:50:29,360
in an uh you know several

2833
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:32,639
months down the road um

2834
01:50:37,470 --> 01:50:36,080
so i don't remember seeing much of it i

2835
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:37,480
mean i was

2836
01:50:41,510 --> 01:50:40,080
experiencing it was having it done to me

2837
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:41,520
but i couldn't see

2838
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:44,320
you know what was going on and i've not

2839
01:50:50,830 --> 01:50:45,840
seen it

2840
01:50:52,310 --> 01:50:50,840
happen to somebody else so

2841
01:50:55,030 --> 01:50:52,320
okay

2842
01:50:56,629 --> 01:50:55,040
all right uh i guess let's uh let's take

2843
01:50:58,790 --> 01:50:56,639
this as the last question

2844
01:51:00,390 --> 01:50:58,800
and this is from fabrice again saying

2845
01:51:04,470 --> 01:51:00,400
did you go

2846
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:07,669
and so-called fake pregnancies was

2847
01:51:11,430 --> 01:51:10,960
explained yeah i'm sorry i don't know

2848
01:51:14,149 --> 01:51:11,440
it's uh

2849
01:51:15,910 --> 01:51:14,159
the the spelling of it and um uh fabrice

2850
01:51:17,350 --> 01:51:15,920
is actually he's up really late right

2851
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:17,360
now because he's in france

2852
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:20,560
you know and so i'll forgive the the

2853
01:51:23,669 --> 01:51:22,400
spelling of some of these did that make

2854
01:51:25,189 --> 01:51:23,679
sense or do you want me to

2855
01:51:26,790 --> 01:51:25,199
kind of try to figure out what that

2856
01:51:28,629 --> 01:51:26,800
means well here's what i can

2857
01:51:29,830 --> 01:51:28,639
i think i might understand here's what

2858
01:51:34,950 --> 01:51:29,840
i'm uh

2859
01:51:37,750 --> 01:51:34,960
i can tell him i remember um

2860
01:51:38,470 --> 01:51:37,760
i i do remember some interaction when

2861
01:51:41,510 --> 01:51:38,480
when i

2862
01:51:42,870 --> 01:51:41,520
if you if you remember the uh movie

2863
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:42,880
intruders

2864
01:51:47,109 --> 01:51:44,800
at the end one of the they called the

2865
01:51:48,149 --> 01:51:47,119
presentation you know where i actually

2866
01:51:51,109 --> 01:51:48,159
see

2867
01:51:51,669 --> 01:51:51,119
this little girl they bring this little

2868
01:51:55,350 --> 01:51:51,679
child

2869
01:51:56,229 --> 01:51:55,360
toddler size in uh to see me in this

2870
01:51:59,510 --> 01:51:56,239
room

2871
01:52:00,310 --> 01:51:59,520
and i'm realizing i feel like that's my

2872
01:52:04,629 --> 01:52:00,320
kid

2873
01:52:09,750 --> 01:52:08,390
he there was some attempt at

2874
01:52:13,109 --> 01:52:09,760
communication between

2875
01:52:14,310 --> 01:52:13,119
he and i and i felt as if he did not

2876
01:52:18,709 --> 01:52:14,320
understand

2877
01:52:20,229 --> 01:52:18,719
why i felt upset and i felt like

2878
01:52:21,990 --> 01:52:20,239
you know i wanted to take her home with

2879
01:52:23,510 --> 01:52:22,000
me and he's like trying to

2880
01:52:26,229 --> 01:52:23,520
explain to me and i can't tell you it's

2881
01:52:29,910 --> 01:52:26,239
not like talking in words it's like

2882
01:52:31,750 --> 01:52:29,920
a transference of thought and idea and

2883
01:52:34,870 --> 01:52:31,760
images and whatnot of me

2884
01:52:36,629 --> 01:52:34,880
not being able to feed her you know keep

2885
01:52:39,109 --> 01:52:36,639
her alive so she could not

2886
01:52:39,669 --> 01:52:39,119
she had to stay there but it was a good

2887
01:52:41,270 --> 01:52:39,679
thing

2888
01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:41,280
it was like he was trying to express to

2889
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:43,199
me that this was a good thing

2890
01:52:49,589 --> 01:52:46,880
why am i feeling all mad and

2891
01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:49,599
sad and crazy this is a good thing you

2892
01:52:54,790 --> 01:52:51,760
know it's like he didn't understand

2893
01:52:56,390 --> 01:52:54,800
my emotional reaction and i didn't

2894
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:56,400
understand

2895
01:52:59,589 --> 01:52:58,400
what he it almost felt like he was

2896
01:53:02,550 --> 01:52:59,599
trying to

2897
01:53:02,870 --> 01:53:02,560
feel something that he wasn't accustomed

2898
01:53:06,310 --> 01:53:02,880
to

2899
01:53:07,910 --> 01:53:06,320
you know i mean okay so um

2900
01:53:09,589 --> 01:53:07,920
maybe that's what he's referring to in

2901
01:53:13,589 --> 01:53:09,599
his question yes i do

2902
01:53:14,550 --> 01:53:13,599
have this memory or this vivid dream of

2903
01:53:20,229 --> 01:53:14,560
this

2904
01:53:21,910 --> 01:53:20,239
and not understanding you know it but

2905
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:21,920
yeah i do have that

2906
01:53:25,990 --> 01:53:25,360
okay so there was one more that snuck in

2907
01:53:27,750 --> 01:53:26,000
here and that's

2908
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:27,760
it's a good question from roland i don't

2909
01:53:31,109 --> 01:53:29,440
want to ask that and then i promise this

2910
01:53:33,550 --> 01:53:31,119
is the last one

2911
01:53:35,510 --> 01:53:33,560
you know i'm good do you think the

2912
01:53:38,950 --> 01:53:35,520
extraterrestrials are working with the

2913
01:53:47,350 --> 01:53:42,470
um a lot of people say that

2914
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:51,189
i tend

2915
01:53:55,030 --> 01:53:53,750
i know that governments do what

2916
01:53:57,270 --> 01:53:55,040
governments want to do

2917
01:53:58,149 --> 01:53:57,280
and it doesn't really matter what people

2918
01:54:01,430 --> 01:53:58,159
think and i

2919
01:54:02,950 --> 01:54:01,440
don't think they really um we

2920
01:54:04,790 --> 01:54:02,960
i don't think we really know all the

2921
01:54:06,550 --> 01:54:04,800
stuff that our government or any other

2922
01:54:09,109 --> 01:54:06,560
government on the planet does

2923
01:54:09,990 --> 01:54:09,119
you know so i mean i guess it's possible

2924
01:54:14,870 --> 01:54:10,000
i

2925
01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:14,880
sure

2926
01:54:19,669 --> 01:54:18,000
i don't know okay maybe we'll find out

2927
01:54:22,310 --> 01:54:19,679
one day soon i hear

2928
01:54:23,510 --> 01:54:22,320
that's people i hear the you know the

2929
01:54:25,510 --> 01:54:23,520
scuttle of

2930
01:54:26,709 --> 01:54:25,520
the disclosure and whatnot frankly i

2931
01:54:29,830 --> 01:54:26,719
don't i think

2932
01:54:32,390 --> 01:54:29,840
we've been disclosing for a while now

2933
01:54:33,910 --> 01:54:32,400
right yeah no it's it's like bit by bit

2934
01:54:36,149 --> 01:54:33,920
and um

2935
01:54:38,070 --> 01:54:36,159
i know let me see here there was just

2936
01:54:42,149 --> 01:54:38,080
something

2937
01:54:48,229 --> 01:54:45,990
and uh she always posts a

2938
01:54:49,750 --> 01:54:48,239
i'm sorry i'm just scrolling up to this

2939
01:54:52,310 --> 01:54:49,760
long chat i don't know if it's gone by

2940
01:54:54,070 --> 01:54:52,320
now but she always has that uh countdown

2941
01:54:55,910 --> 01:54:54,080
and that's kind of informative i

2942
01:54:56,390 --> 01:54:55,920
appreciate you her doing that oh here

2943
01:54:59,669 --> 01:54:56,400
you go

2944
01:55:00,870 --> 01:54:59,679
55 days six hours 19 minutes and 47

2945
01:55:03,109 --> 01:55:00,880
seconds till

2946
01:55:04,629 --> 01:55:03,119
the 100 days of disclosure because i

2947
01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:04,639
don't know if you heard there

2948
01:55:09,510 --> 01:55:06,960
there was um i don't know which stimulus

2949
01:55:12,470 --> 01:55:09,520
package but there was some kind of a

2950
01:55:14,390 --> 01:55:12,480
thing tagged on at the end to um

2951
01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:14,400
disclose about what the government knows

2952
01:55:19,430 --> 01:55:16,080
about ufos

2953
01:55:20,629 --> 01:55:19,440
i did not know right but not very right

2954
01:55:23,350 --> 01:55:20,639
but a lot of that i mean

2955
01:55:24,550 --> 01:55:23,360
yeah i just hope i mean it's really

2956
01:55:26,950 --> 01:55:24,560
turns out to be something

2957
01:55:27,750 --> 01:55:26,960
something greater than what we all

2958
01:55:29,750 --> 01:55:27,760
expect

2959
01:55:31,830 --> 01:55:29,760
um but it's supposed to be they can only

2960
01:55:33,589 --> 01:55:31,840
really discuss things that were already

2961
01:55:34,390 --> 01:55:33,599
declassified so i don't know how much

2962
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:34,400
more exciting

2963
01:55:40,709 --> 01:55:38,400
it would be once the countdown ends

2964
01:55:42,070 --> 01:55:40,719
uh yeah i i don't i don't know how much

2965
01:55:42,790 --> 01:55:42,080
the government knows i'm pretty sure

2966
01:55:48,070 --> 01:55:42,800
they know

2967
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:51,510
you know i mean

2968
01:55:55,030 --> 01:55:53,270
it will be some vindication for people

2969
01:55:59,669 --> 01:55:55,040
like me

2970
01:56:06,390 --> 01:56:03,030
dragged for years about our experiences

2971
01:56:08,629 --> 01:56:06,400
when they finally say hey you know

2972
01:56:09,669 --> 01:56:08,639
then that stuff is right that stuff is

2973
01:56:13,189 --> 01:56:09,679
real so

2974
01:56:15,990 --> 01:56:13,199
right right well we'll see so we'll see

2975
01:56:17,910 --> 01:56:16,000
debbie thank you thank you very much um

2976
01:56:19,589 --> 01:56:17,920
uh please if uh um

2977
01:56:22,229 --> 01:56:19,599
if you could send me the link once it

2978
01:56:22,870 --> 01:56:22,239
goes live on may 30th i'll post it under

2979
01:56:26,470 --> 01:56:22,880
this

2980
01:56:27,430 --> 01:56:26,480
so that they can directly access the

2981
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:27,440
book that way

2982
01:56:31,669 --> 01:56:29,920
or will the information about the book

2983
01:56:32,709 --> 01:56:31,679
that's on the publisher's site right now

2984
01:56:36,470 --> 01:56:32,719
will that have a

2985
01:56:38,149 --> 01:56:36,480
link to amazon oh yeah yeah he'll have

2986
01:56:41,030 --> 01:56:38,159
links up for all that on the publisher

2987
01:56:42,070 --> 01:56:41,040
site i'll also have it on my

2988
01:56:44,550 --> 01:56:42,080
right there's a link website your

2989
01:56:47,030 --> 01:56:44,560
website also and and

2990
01:56:48,550 --> 01:56:47,040
i'll have also there are links to get to

2991
01:56:51,350 --> 01:56:48,560
bud's two books that are

2992
01:56:52,149 --> 01:56:51,360
just out now too also perfect thank you

2993
01:56:54,229 --> 01:56:52,159
for that

2994
01:56:55,669 --> 01:56:54,239
and i'll send those to you too i'll

2995
01:56:56,790 --> 01:56:55,679
message those to you right after we get

2996
01:56:58,229 --> 01:56:56,800
done here so you can

2997
01:56:59,830 --> 01:56:58,239
do whatever you want with them too

2998
01:57:00,629 --> 01:56:59,840
that's awesome i just think it's great

2999
01:57:02,390 --> 01:57:00,639
that bud's

3000
01:57:04,629 --> 01:57:02,400
work is going to be seen again by so

3001
01:57:06,390 --> 01:57:04,639
many new young people in this field and

3002
01:57:08,550 --> 01:57:06,400
i think it's real important and i think

3003
01:57:10,550 --> 01:57:08,560
it's the perfect time for it now

3004
01:57:11,669 --> 01:57:10,560
and i'm just i was really happy when i

3005
01:57:14,229 --> 01:57:11,679
found out about that

3006
01:57:15,350 --> 01:57:14,239
right well that's cool so well debbie

3007
01:57:17,589 --> 01:57:15,360
thanks thanks again

3008
01:57:18,790 --> 01:57:17,599
i really appreciate it um everyone thank

3009
01:57:21,030 --> 01:57:18,800
you for thinking of me

3010
01:57:22,149 --> 01:57:21,040
thank you so much any time i i apologize

3011
01:57:24,229 --> 01:57:22,159
it's been this long

3012
01:57:26,070 --> 01:57:24,239
but yeah everyone that's still watching

3013
01:57:28,390 --> 01:57:26,080
and didn't get to ask a question

3014
01:57:29,830 --> 01:57:28,400
um uh debbie said that on her website

3015
01:57:31,589 --> 01:57:29,840
that's in the description below

3016
01:57:32,870 --> 01:57:31,599
you should be able to contact her that

3017
01:57:36,310 --> 01:57:32,880
way and um

3018
01:57:37,350 --> 01:57:36,320
you know shoot over an email so use that

3019
01:57:39,270 --> 01:57:37,360
opportunity but

3020
01:57:41,669 --> 01:57:39,280
uh thank you all again very much for

3021
01:57:41,990 --> 01:57:41,679
watching debbie thanks again and uh yeah

3022
01:57:45,990 --> 01:57:42,000
let's

3023
01:57:47,589 --> 01:57:46,000
i've had